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toby2
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Hi
I have the chance to purchase what is supposed to be a Veleno guitar . There are a
couple of strange things about it that make me think it is a copy . 1) Nothing ingraved
on the back of the headstock . 2) No string tree . 3) This is the worst part . The original neck
slots were cut in the wrong position ( from the 2nd to the 15th fret , you can see the first
slots that were cut ) . The neck was recut and the frets are now in the proper postion . 4)
Some fretboard markers were installed in a sloppy manner -
This is a weird instrument and I am not sure if I should be posting about it in this forum .
Are there any Veleno experts out there that could give me some information about this
guitar ? It was apparently purchased on ebay a few years ago from Rockhaus guitars .
Thank you !!
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Kevin
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| Posted: 04/21/2008 at 6:18 AM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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Where did you get the guitar from? Velenos didnt come with string trees all the time. All Ive seen have something engraved. As for the frets...if it looks like a mistake was made then it might just be that and I doubt it was ever "sold" like that. Ive seen some strange things on Velenos, but his quality was much higher than that. If you open the guitar up and take some pictures I can tell you if its real or not. The tool paths are very telling inside of these guitars. I hoping you didnt pay high for it in its condition.
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Kevin
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| Posted: 04/21/2008 at 6:56 AM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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Opps I see you didnt buy it yet. Sorry. Really anything around 3k isnt bad for an all metal guitar.
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toby2
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| Posted: 04/21/2008 at 4:36 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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I had the chance to take some photos of the guitar today . The electronics are all modern
parts . Here is a link to the photos :
http://s290.photobucket.c...../tobywalterscott/?start=0
Any information would be greatly appreciated !
Thanks
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Kevin
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| Posted: 04/21/2008 at 6:35 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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Well,
The neck looks to be cast and thats a good sign. The body looks to be correct. It is one of the later thinner bodies. The neck looks chewed up on one side and the fret slots look to be just as off as the dots. If I had to guess, Id say the neck was more or less scrapped but finished. I have seen necks with solid headstocks but all have had something written on them. No big deal with the lack of string tree though.
According to the book "Strange Guitar Stories Volume 2", Velenos son Chris(I believe) made a few guitars after Veleno stopped as well as gave permission to a fellow to try and make guitars. Perhaps this neck was the try. Dunno though, its strange.
If it plays well then get it, but as a collectors pc Id pass on it.
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toby2
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| Posted: 04/21/2008 at 6:52 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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Thanks Kevin ! Someone said that it may have been a scrap neck that was lying around
the shop . Maybe his son just slapped it together and sold it cheap ? The guitar plays
fine and sounds good but the screwed up fretboard really bothers me . I have no idea how
that could be repaired ( or if it even could be ) .
Did you see the numbers that were etched into the neck and body ( #186 ) . Did Veleno
do that sort of thing ?
Thanks again for all of that helpful information !
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Kevin
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| Posted: 04/21/2008 at 7:25 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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His son was helping him from the start so i doubt he would have messed up on a neck like that, there is no real way to fix it though. Almag 535 is hard, but not impossible, to weld as its flammable. Almag is aluminum magnesium so you play this game of melting the aluminum without igniting the magnesium.
Anyways the numbers are generally stamped or etched into the front of the neck joint. As for inside, I dont know. They generally had some form of an X then number in them. It had nothing to do with the serial number as far as I know.
Theres no real way to tell what it is, but you can be certain it wasnt assembled and sold as new like that. Id back the idea it was scrap and instead of trashing it, it was put together as its still playable. Cool find though, congrats.
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Vincent Gallo
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| Posted: 04/21/2008 at 10:45 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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No offence to Kevin but that guitar is 100% not a Veleno or Veleno son built guitar. I own 20 Veleno's with serial #'s ranging from #7 - #182 and have inspected another 10. The photos you offer show a guitar sporting an un-original tailpiece, un-original pickups, un-original surrounds, un-original wire, un-original pots,, un-original tuners and ferrules, un-original strap buttons, un-original body cuts, neck is missing back plate and the list goes on and on. At best it was made from a few leftover parts and certainly not done so at the time of Veleno production including the period Veleno's son assembled a few. As a collector piece the guitar is worthless, as a player I would prefer many other guitars in that price range. A Travis Bean for instance. The guitar should be destroyed so as not to mislead future buyers or at least engraved with the word bogus. For the record I will pay top dollar for any Veleno original guitar and am also interested in buying cases and parts.
vincentgallo@vincentgallo.com
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waystolive
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| Posted: 06/02/2008 at 9:57 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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Sorry to disagree with you Vincent,
however in this instance I do not believe you are 100% correct.
I also have owned a number of Velenos over the years, and this appears to be one of the ones made from original parts, therefore largely it is in fact an original Veleno.
There are a number of production changes over the history of veleno, and this is one of the last.
I agree it has un-original tailpiece, pickups, surrounds, witre, pots tuners etc, but both the body and neck are original parts, that were un-assembled last run original Veleno parts.
I believe there are a few out there up to 5 or so I think.
I think a number of years back rockhaus came across a stock of original parts (bodies and necks)and assembled them.
This is one where the neck had been mis-cut for it's frets, not sure whether that was original mistake or done later (possibly a miscalculation of scale length).
However I reitterate that both the neck and body are original Veleno as far as I am aware.
Veleno never used standardised parts or hardware anyway, pickups, surrounds, pots, bridges, etc were often aftermarket back in the 70's, ie not veleno made,but gibson, guild, etc, so it is largely the body and neck that hold the value and originality in these instruments, the bridge and tailpiece however were however also usually veleno made products.
There would be no way real way to tell parts original to a veleno like the pickups and wiring harness, in a 70's veleno, if they had been replaced with original 70's parts.
Original body & neck, assembled later.
Cheers
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Vincent Gallo
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| Posted: 06/02/2008 at 10:51 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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Interesting you just joined this forum just to chime in. Well waystolive , you may be misleading others in your view. The guitar in those photos was not like any of the last assembled Veleno's at all. In fact the neck appears to be an early defect from the early first batch of necks as it is similar to the earliest Veleno's that mounted tuners right to the neck. After a dozen or so were made a plate was made and the tuners mounted to that plate and then that plate was mount to the back of the headstock. The back of the headstock under the plate was cast with cutouts to lighten it. The body of this one is of the type that is super thin which is identical to the bodies that still float around for sale. If a guitar was assembled after production it would have had a later neck cast. The guitars that were assembled by a Veleno family member (son or John), after words still had an original tailpiece (black anodized) and a serial number. The guitar in the photo has a tailpiece very similar to the ones Kevin makes now. As well, the few after production assembled guitars had proper pots, tuners, caps, pickup surrounds and wire. I have been offered bodies and necks several times and could buy them even still. I would bet my life the guitar in the photos was assembled within the last ten years or so from the batch of necks and bodies that continue to float around. That guitar is worth $2500 on a good day but should never be represented as a Veleno. If waystolive really knew as much as he claims he would agree unless he is the one selling the guitar.
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waystolive
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| Posted: 06/03/2008 at 8:44 AM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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I was under the impression these forums were available for open discussion.
I was not aware that "chiming in" with an opinion was such a crime.
And If Vincent bothered to read posts before responding to them,
then perhaps there would be freer access to more open and honest information on this website.
I never suggested that the guitar was assembled by Veleno or any member of his family,
I simply stated that it was my opinion that the neck and body originated from Veleno production.
It appears that the neck at least is agreed upon as an original (albeit unfinished/abandonded) part.
I also stated that all hardware appears to be aftermarket, and the assembly is likely to be relatively recent,
all of which has been agreed on.
I am in no way affiliated with this particular guitar and have no interest in it's sale.
I simply wished to offer my own experience and opinion on this piece.
I presently do believe that the body is likely to be original, until further evidence comes to light.
I have had the chance to examine a similar body and found the routing work on it to be remarkably similar to original Veleno workmanship.
Which led me to believe that this body and others like it are original late production pieces unfinished at the factory.
This is based on personal experience, and I understand that Mr Gallo may have a different opinion.
I never claimed anything about my knowledge, just that I had owned several Velenos.
Which is no more claim to the truth than that of Mr Gallo.
I was simply trying to help, obviously Mr Gallo has a vested interest in his own investments,
and will go to any lengths to discredit anything that doesn't fit with his sanitized view of history,
despite having no evidence and the fact that we were largely agreeing with our conclusions.
A little respect Mr Gallo.
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Vincent Gallo
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| Posted: 06/03/2008 at 12:06 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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With all due respect Mr. Waystolive
For the record, I know the guitar personally; I know who assembled it and when they did so. I tried to make it clear as politely as possible that the guitar was not a Veleno or assembled from parts that John Veleno had worked on or finished and that several times that guitar has been offered as original. The folktales of guitars being finished by John's son are used to pass off garbage as something more
First of all the neck used on the guitar was a reject right from the casting. It is from the early castings for the first year of production. It was never fretted fitted polished drilled or worked on by John Veleno himself. It is merely a rejected casting that came from a Veleno mold and got left around and eventually sold off and then used try and recreate an original guitar
The body the guitar possesses is not from the early production. It is instead similar to the bodies that have been floating around for sale and still surface. I have not seen a factory original with bodies exactly to these specs and I cannot speculated who made the bodies or at least who finished them off but in any case they were not finished off by John Veleno . It is Veleno's finish work that reflects his craftsmanship and this body is far from that. He did not authorize this body to carry his name.
As well you are wrong to say that other than body and neck Veleno parts are not of value. John Veleno hand tweaked and fitted the aftermarket parts he used including the pickup surrounds (which were sanded thinner). His handmade bridges are fantastic and pots and wire etc can all be traced to his batch and not easily found elsewhere. Even original foam from inside the body cavity has the mojo.It is the serial # which gives it is historic value. Original cases are cool as well and I have and would still pay $1000 for one of those.
There are several necks floating around still and they remain crude directly from casting. These may have been from the molds of Veleno but they were not worked by him, authorized by him or finished on one of his guitars. They are simple castings which is similar to a chunk of wood verse the finished carved top of an archtop guitar
Call the guitar what it is, an abortion and stop misleading folks into thinking there are these 5 or 6 guitars out there that were finished by Veleno's son or made up from real John Veleno parts. Instead there are some guitars made up from leftover parts that were not hand finished or worked by John and a guitar not finished by John himself is far from cool or valuable. There is a lot more to a Veleno that aluminum casting.
There is very little Veleno info out there and sadly John Veleno does not offer too much to the public. Because there is little known about Veleno's there are a few guys are there passing off faked modified or refinished Veleno's as real. I know better and need not worry but others do not and your postings do not help in that way
My guitars will never be for sale and are not regarded, as investments and I do not care in the way you suggest. Instead I own several Veleno's and study them very carefully, the vague representation s of the brand add confusion and insult what I have learned.
Good luck Mr. Waystolive, Im sorry you had to sell your Veleno's and i hope one day you have the courage to use your real name here on the forum
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| Posted: 06/03/2008 at 1:23 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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I don't believe that using one's real name has anything to do with courage. The concept of anonymity has always be integral to the foundations of the internet, and everyone is free to take it or leave it as they choose to.
About the Velenos, they do raise some interesting philosophical questions about the nature of authenticity. Vincent, I don't doubt what you say about the necks and bodies that were assembled after the fact. But what makes a "real Veleno"? We know that Fender used whatever parts they had lying around, and they were a functioning corporate entity. I have a killer Fender amp that, according to the books, shouldn't exist at all in that configuration. But it does. Who's to say where the mojo comes from? It comes as much from the player as it does from the builder. This is not a criticism, as I have no experience to say anything about the guitar in questions.
But this is almost like saying that an instrument built by a Travis Bean employee for himself to keep and play is not a real Bean, if it differs somehow from the stock instrument. In my little experiment, say this Bean was actually assembled by this employee at his home workshop instead of at the Bean factory... but in 1975 when the company was still going strong. Is it a real Bean? Of course it is. I mean really, Travis Bean wasn't even a guitar player. I guess they're not even real guitars ;)
The point is that we all have different things that are important to us in these instruments. And those are the individual things that lead us to decide how much money we will pay for any particular instrument. Vincent Gallo seems to believe that anyone who does not share his system of values and evaluations is flat out wrong. There's no such thing as flat out wrong. Of course, that's just like my opinion, man.
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Vincent Gallo
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| Posted: 06/03/2008 at 2:20 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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ririri said
"I don't believe that using one's real name has anything to do with courage. The concept of anonymity has always be integral to the foundations of the Internet, and everyone is free to take it or leave it as they choose to."
Gallo reply
Anonymity in the way you describe was not in fact included as an integral part of the foundation of the Internet. Instead, anonymity posturing as authority disrupts real insight and is a misfortune. Knowledge of the source of information adds insight to the credibility of the information itself. As well, accountability in the form of real identity adds insight to the motivation and resources of those who post information. Blogs and forums are overflowing with mis-information, mis-representation from secret posters who use the Internet to makeup for the voice they lack in real life. ririri if you feel so strong and righteous about your wonderful views why withhold your real name, were you're from and what your background and life style is? Stand behind your views like a man.
ririri said
"About the Veleno's, they do raise some interesting philosophical questions about the nature of authenticity. Vincent, I don't doubt what you say about the necks and bodies that were assembled after the fact. But what makes a "real Veleno"? We know that Fender used whatever parts they had lying around, and they were a functioning corporate entity. I have a killer Fender amp that, according to the books, shouldn't exist at all in that configuration. But it does. Who's to say where the mojo comes from? It comes as much from the player as it does from the builder. This is not a criticism, as I have no experience to say anything about the guitar in questions."
Gallo reply
Doubt what I say all you want ririri as you have no experience in this area and your Fender amp metaphor is useless here. If you really didn't understand what I was talking about you would go out and buy a new guitar and not be spending your days and nights cuming to this forum and waiting to bait me so as to feel important. In any case, Veleno was a tradesman, craftsman and very creative builder of guitars. For those of us who wish to experience what he really made we should look to find a real Veleno built and assembled by John Veleno, to hold inspect and play. For anyone to pass off that experience via a rejected casting filled with random parts is dishonest and motivated by greed
ririri said
"But this is almost like saying that an instrument built by a Travis Bean employee for himself to keep and play is not a real Bean, if it differs somehow from the stock instrument. In my little experiment, say this Bean was actually assembled by this employee at his home workshop instead of at the Bean factory... but in 1975 when the company was still going strong. Is it a real Bean? Of course it is. I mean really, Travis Bean wasn't even a guitar player. I guess they're not even real guitars ;)"
Gallo reply
ririri you're reaching into space here just to keep our exchange going as this is your first experience with Hollywood and you're excited.
Any guitar built at the Travis Bean factory and finished with factory-finished parts is a Travis Bean. However a discarded neck sold off and attached to an unfinished body and painted with a spray can and assembled with parts from guitar center should not be confused with a Travis Bean. You understand that and it has nothing to due with how well Travis played. Again why else would you be here?
ririri said
"The point is that we all have different things that are important to us in these instruments. And those are the individual things that lead us to decide how much money we will pay for any particular instrument. Vincent Gallo seems to believe that anyone who does not share his system of values and evaluations is flat out wrong. There's no such thing as flat out wrong. Of course, that's just like my opinion, man."
Gallo reply
This exchange is more about your Vincent Gallo hang-ups and issues than it is about Veleno guitars, as you can't seem to ignore any of my posts even if they do not concern guitars you're interested in. Still your point about me trying to set the bar as to what a collectable guitar should be is way off base. Most people who enjoy vintage guitars share my view and those who do not have plenty of molested guitars to choose from. I am not alone.
The real funny thing about anonymity is that most likely if I used a nickname here and kept my collection private most of you who bash me would have a different reaction to me. That said ririri, your response to me in the way I do present myself is predictable and common. It displays your strong need to be heard by people you feel are more powerful than you. Sorry to disappoint you riririr but this forum and your challenge of me here is far from a load voice as this is a tiny battle. Instead, I suggest you do the things you always dreamed about doing and become the man you dreamed to be. A man with more guts and common sense. In any case, I will not respond to any further ririri comments as they are becoming gratuitous unconscious and boring. So ririri keep bashing me if you think it will make you feel better. I don't think it will though
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| Posted: 06/03/2008 at 2:31 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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I hope at least a few other forum members find this as funny as I do.
And: I'm not looking for some excuse to talk with you. I honestly thought that what I wrote was an interesting topic. It had nothing to do with you. Reread my post and see that I was interested and neutral on your opinion. Please don't answer me unless you're contributing something useful and interesting to this discussion. I would be interested to see if other forum members might disregard your last post, and actually tell me what they think on the issues of authenticity and musical instruments. Everyone's opinion is equally valid here, and there are no right or wrong answers. You can't bash a relativist, it just doesn't work.
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| Posted: 06/03/2008 at 5:34 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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Hi,
Again I would like to reiterate that I never stated that the "Veleno" in question was assembled by John Veleno or any of his family, factory etc etc.
Vincent keeps suggesting that I am trying to mislead people to believe that this is a "Real" Veleno.
I have only ever stated my opinion that the neck and body (unfinished) originated from a veleno source.
Of course I don't believe this veleno is an original 1970's production guitar, I don't think anyone has suggested that it is!
I'm happy to change my opinions given evidence and information, I am not dogmatic about these things.
Even Vincent seems to be unsure whether the neck was a rejected original casting, or one created at a later date from the original moulds. And has no idea where the body came from.
But I have to agree that the definitions as to what makes a "Real" "Veleno" and what is "Valued" in a guitar are up for debate and opinion.
Sure this guitar is never going to be worth what a 1972 veleno is worth, but that is not the point. Although that purely depends on what people will pay for things.
I think the point about History is well made, we do have very little history about Velenos, and covering up anomolies like this guitar only serves to sanitize and erradicate some of that history.
Mr Gallo also stated (without any evidence or knowledge) I had sold my Velenos, (not that it is any of his business) but for the record I do still own Velenos and Beans and Wandres, Fenders, Gibson, etc etc.
I prefer to keep using a nickname, I don't need the publicity.
I don't think telling anyone that my name is Daniel will change my opinion or it's validity.
I never tried to start a war, just giving some other opinions.
Just trying to help out, but don't want to be slandered or discredited without evidence either.
There's no need to get defensive or argumentative, or personal for that matter.
Guys it's just a public forum!!!
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First waystolive said:
"I also have owned a number of Veleno's over the years, and this appears to be one of the ones made from original parts, therefore largely it is in fact an original Veleno."
Then waystolive said:
"Again I would like to reiterate that I never stated that the "Veleno" in question was assembled by John Veleno or any of his family, factory etc etc.
Vincent keeps suggesting that I am trying to mislead people to believe that this is a "Real" Veleno."
My reply:
"My point was these were in fact not original parts as they were unfinished, defective and unauthorized to qualify for assembly. Having a non factory authorized person suddenly polish them, poorly install frets in them, and then chrome plate them, hardly makes them original parts and combining these abortions with guitar store parts doesn't make this guitar largely original."
First waystolive said:
"But both the body and neck are original parts, that were un-assembled last run original Veleno parts.
Then waystolive said:
"I have only ever stated my opinion that the neck and body (unfinished) originated from a Veleno source."
My reply:
"No one can tell for sure where the parts came from or when they were cast, but it is more than clear they were not finished by John nor meant to be assembled together."
First waystolive said:
"I also have owned a number of Veleno's over the years, and this appears to be one of the ones made from original parts, therefore largely it is in fact an original Veleno."
Then waystolive said,
"Of course I don't believe this Veleno is an original 1970's production guitar, I don't think anyone has suggested that it is!"
My reply:
"Why chime in? In the first place, my post, which provoked you, was benign and posted long ago. In any case make up your mind."
waystolive said:
"I'm happy to change my opinions given evidence and information, I am not dogmatic about these things."
My reply:
"Yeah sure, you seem so open minded and flexible."
waystolive said:
"Even Vincent seems to be unsure whether the neck was a rejected original casting, or one created at a later date from the original moulds. And has no idea where the body came from."
My reply:
"What I can say for sure is they are not original factory finished or factory authorized parts and thus not original in the real sense of the word."
waystolive said:
"But I have to agree that the definitions as to what makes a "Real" "Veleno" and what is "Valued" in a guitar are up for debate and opinion.
Sure this guitar is never going to be worth what a 1972 Veleno is worth, but that is not the point. Although that purely depends on what people will pay for things"
My reply:
"Blah blah blah. What's your point? There is no debate about what is an original Veleno and creating the debate is unproductive and only personal to you."
waystolive said:
"I also have owned a number of Velenos over the years."
Then waystolive said:
"Mr Gallo also stated (without any evidence or knowledge) I had sold my Veleno."
My reply:
"'Owned' suggests the past. Clearly you have sold or traded away a Veleno."
waystolive said:
"I prefer to keep using a nickname, I don't need the publicity.
I don't think telling anyone that my name is Daniel will change my opinion or it's validity."
My reply:
"I think building a reputation is useful to develop trust in trading and to give insight into your sources of knowledge. It is helpful when a person uses one name for all their exchange of ideas and commodities. It is not a press gimmick as you suggest."
waystolive said:
"I never tried to start a war, just giving some other opinions.
Just trying to help out, but don't want to be slandered or discredited without evidence either"
My reply:
"Yawn!!!!"
waystolive said:
"There's no need to get defensive or argumentative, or personal for that matter. Guys it's just a public forum!!! "
My reply:
"It is the exchange of information that will be used to explain history as well as used by opportunists to take advantage of guitar lovers."
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As was so eloquently stated above: "YAWN"
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| Posted: 06/03/2008 at 11:02 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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oh there goes charley again acting tuff
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| Posted: 06/03/2008 at 11:35 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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oh there goes vinsent galow again acting tuff too.
And now for the information...
As a note of interest, a number of years ago now, prior to John Veleno's son re-starting the Veleno business, my brother and I had number of lengthy discussions with John Veleno via email.
Mr John Veleno was a lovely man to deal with, he was very very open with information and advice, detailing how he made his guitars and even how he cast and finished his necks etc, my impression was that he was not at all precious or protective about his instruments and the use of his "name".
He seemed excited by the interest in his instruments and the fact that people loved them so much.
It wasn't until his son started the business up that there was suddenly so much controversy over the veleno "name".
I know for a fact that Mr Veleno gave his personal permission to people to assemble or "complete" old "original" veleno parts into fully functional guitars, even to the extent of using his name and offerring to sign headstock plates. And even rumors of a series of complete remakes authorised by John.
We were discussing the possiblity of re-issuing his guitars at the time, when his son decided to go with it. I never heard back from John after that.
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toby2
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| Posted: 06/09/2008 at 9:31 PM Post subject: RE:Veleno information - help ! |
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Thanks for all of the information ! After seeing all of the posts , the seller
decided to hold onto it . It is an odd bird .
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