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I had the immence (sp?) pleasure of playing through 3 Dumbles and a few 1950s Twins the other day. My Bean was overdriving the Dumble 180 which the owner said is the amp with the most headroom on the planet. I know, just roll back the volume, but it got me wondering: what are all you Bean players using for amplification?
I usually use two Fender Showman in stereo or a Hiwatt Custom 100. I don't seem to have the overdrive issue, but then, I am usually not playing at over 5-6 on the volume.
So, I think it would be interesting to hear what all your rigs are, including pedals. I also use a Mutron envelope, a Foxrox Octron (octave up and/or octave down pedal), a Way Huge Red llama overdrive and many delays. I like to use a few analog delays in a chain (Way Huge again or Maxon AD-900) followed by sometimes a tape delay, Roland Space echo and always a reverb unit- old stock Fender or a solid state Marshall.
I shoot for a high fidelity, clean sound
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Kevin
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| Posted: 10/19/2007 at 3:39 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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TB 2000-97
Landgraff 150 watt head
2 genz benz 4x12s with eminence 75w
Heres the sound:
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| Posted: 10/23/2007 at 6:49 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Ok, so it's not a Travis Bean, but I'm playing one of Kevin's EGC C500's through a Traynor YBA-1 and a Traynor TS-50 into a stereo 2x10/2x12 cabinet.
One day I'd like to get a DR504 to replace the TS-50 and another cab so I can have a true stereo setup. I would also like to give an AC15 or AC30 a shot.
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| Posted: 10/23/2007 at 2:19 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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#1 TB 1000 - #2 Aluminum Strat - #3 EGC500
Hiwatt DR103 w/ Hiwatt 4x12 (SE4123 or SE4122)...Fanes all the way baby. Sometimes, I'll wire the cabs for 4 ohms, but usually just run at stock 16.
If I feel frisky (i.e. I'm by myself) I'll plug in a Hiwatt SA212R for some stereo action with a noisy MXR stereo chorus and a DOD analog Delay FX90 (it makes a real purty ch-ching sound)
I find overdrive/distortion boxes tend to muck up the sound I expect from the Bean, so I tend to stay away. Though, I've been loving an old beat up EH Deluxe Octave Multiplexer lately.
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LHakim
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| Posted: 10/23/2007 at 7:14 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Always old school for me: Bean through vintage tube amps with sometimes a treble booster, vintage Memory Man, or 1967 Vox Crybaby in between.
Now back in the 80's was another story....them was my *experimenting* days....
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| Posted: 10/24/2007 at 1:26 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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travis bean chord 1959 Bassman = tone heaven!
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JohnBR
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| Posted: 10/24/2007 at 8:37 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Charlie! I get aroused just reading your post! I too have a real '59 Bassman, and though I like crystal clean tone, which the Bassman gets better with single coils (TB-500 or strat, or PRS)...there is no better tone on the face of the globe than what comes from a 5F6-A Bassman!
Do you ever have overdrive issues, or is that what you are shooting for?
I've been playing '59 tweed twins lately as well and I really like the Bassman tone better. Positively! Rock on!!!!
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LHakim
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| Posted: 10/24/2007 at 10:20 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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One of the best tones I get is with my Bean plugged straight into my '59 5E5-A Fender narrow panel Pro clone. It has tweed Bassman transformers and puts out about 43 watts. It sounds especially sweet with an n.o.s. 12AY7, or 5751 in the first preamp postion. I've always like the way the Bean sounds with 15" speakers.
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| Posted: 10/24/2007 at 4:43 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Dank, I wouldn't say the bassman is exactly clean, but I find it has plenty of headroom for my purposes. I like that raw tube gritty sound and the Bean humbuckers have enough output to cut through anything. I also like to play through a little gibson ga-20 for a real overdriven tone without making my ears bleed. I got tired of all my pedals, even Fender reverb. I do have an old brown Super with that cool early tremelo. That can be fun in short doses.
LHakim...hmmm a 15" speaker amp sounds like a good match...must resist for now.
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JohnBR
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| Posted: 10/25/2007 at 8:51 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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I have a Brown Super too, 1963. It is one of my favorite amps of all time. I know our Bassmans are not exactly "clea" in tone, but the warmpth and harmonic structure cannot be beat. My favorite tweed of all is my '59 Super. It is just got this warmth that is simply amazing.....these amps do actually remain clean up until a certian point. The tweed Super can't be beat. But, it does sound best with single coils.
That's why I started this post...I was wondering if most people are going for the clean/Garcia tone or the overdriven/Shellac sound. This is why Garcia had those epoxy single coils made obviously. he was a clean machine.
Oh, and BTY, Kevin, your music sounds GREAT!!!! Thanks for sharing. I would like to hear what everyone's sound is with their Beans.
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| Posted: 10/29/2007 at 10:27 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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| Posted: 10/29/2007 at 1:38 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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tb2000 into a ts50-b into the effects return on a gk800. definitely have to roll back the volume. them pickups are hot like soup.
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Kevin
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 12:38 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Dank, thank you very much.
As for being stuck in a sound, a Bean through a Traynor is a very good start. Theres been many nasty guitar sounds as well as nasty basses, but only a few do it correct as far as Im concerned. I personally use no effects... my sound is actually generated for the most part by me lowering the strings so low that the first fret is nearly useless and that mixed with the hollow neck makes a growl that cant be simulated with distortion. Its also make it very easily controlled at very high volumes as well as very responsive to touch. I do understand what you mean, Albini does his sound best by far and its nice to see someone with a 500 and traynor that doesnt sound like that, but again I do love that sound. How many people have the brown sound of Van Halen? I dont really hear that and say van halen rip off, i usually just say that sounds ******* awesome.
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 1:44 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Kevin
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 3:31 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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I dont feel Im stuck at all. I do what the music calls for in each situation and thats it. I do think that its far more respectful of the music to approach it that way. I do understand what your trying to say and agree, but its something that needs not be said as most people at somepoint realize that on their own. That band and that sound is dated and has been done, but it doesnt change the fact that I love the way that bass sounds even 4 years later.
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 3:52 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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I guess the main thing is as long as we enjoy what were playing, isnt that all that matters?
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 9:29 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Oh give me a break Vincent. We're all "stuck". We all playing in a musical style that has been around for 50 years (as rock and roll or "pop"). Sure there's a lot room and freedom in the genre, but is anyone playing a Bean in a band thinking like ... John Cage or John Coltrane?
Are you innovating like the Beatles did from 1964-68? That's a pretty high standard to hold Kevin and the rest of us up to. Is recording through a small Kustom practice amp really innovative or are you just getting a slightly different sound as you work within the same four walls? Maybe it is innovative in some way, but it surely isn't the Beatles and never will be.
Let's also set the record straight - a lot of the best rock music ever made is HIGHLY derivative (Elvis, Led Zep., Nirvana, yada yada yada). There is nothing wrong with taking a great sound and running with it - making it your own if you will.
Music is such a great, positive thing in the world. Innovation is a good and important value, but it's not the only one. In my opinion, no one who is playing music, making noise, banging, screaming, strumming or whatever and enjoying themselves is "stuck".
FYI - my rig: Travis Bean 1000S & EGC custom 500 - Mesa/Boogie DC-5 - effects loop -boss Tu-2 - EH Q-Tron - Ibanez Tube Screamer (modded by Analogman) - Peavey DD3 delay - Analogman Chorus. I play Elixir strings cause they last longer. Nobody in the world sounds exactly like me because it's really all in the fingers and the mind!
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 10:53 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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As Steve Martin said, "EXCUSE ME" .... for "butting in". I thought that's what the forum was all about!
I take your point Vincent, but I still think you're a bit on your high horse.
"Derivative is useless unless you dramatically transcend what you have derived from."
Get real. Many film scores are derivative of classical symphonies, but they are still quite useful in setting the mood and conveying feeling. All of pop music is derivative of something and little of it is dramatically transcendent. Even silly derivative pop songs like "My Sharona" or "Turning Japanese" are not "useless". (Not quite sure why those came to mind - maybe your "jacking off comment").
Kevin is right- play for enjoyment - your own and possibly others. If someone takes pleasure in trying to capture a vintage sound with their Bean and amp - is that "useless"? Not in my book.
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 11:17 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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kind of off topic but i get kind of down on hearing the same old crap sometimes and think i won't ever hear another song that moves me, but then i'll see a band or buy a random record that blows me away. these guys guitars blow me away and i don't know what they play.
check out "octastone" http://www.myspace.com/blacktajrock
and "Illando Gime Onge" http://www.myspace.com/extragolden
i'm not hopeful that there will be a major breakthrough in electric guitar technology that will help musicians develop their own unique sound. everything will get borrowed, over-stylized and shared eventually anyway. i am however hopeful there will always be someone out there doing something i find amazing on the guitar in their own unique way that could only be created by their hands (like boulderbean suggested). its in the individual not the gear.
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LHakim
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 11:57 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Time for ME to really set the record straight! I first heard about Beans in 1977 when I read a glowing review in 1977 in Beat Instrumental, a Brit music magazine.
By 1980 I scored my TB1000s. I immediately was aware of the guitar's potential given its power, wider freq response and sustain. By the end of 1980 I was playing it through obscure fuzzes, a Foxx Tone Machine and EH Deluxe Octave Multiplexor, and a tape delay into a Traynor TS50-B. I chose the Traynor almost by default--I needed something cheap, reliable and thought an s.s. bass amp would better reproduce the frequencies the Bean was capable of. A couple of years later EH released their 16 Sec. DD's, I bought two of 'em the year they released them. Also added an EH Freq Analyzer to the signal chain.
From 1980-87 I played Detroit and Michigan's underground, and hardcore circuit, both solo and in bands such as Fifth Column, Friction Poets, Dream Logic, and Slaughterhouse. Doubt any of you have heard of these bands, but I know Albini et al did. ;-)
Back then my main goal was to take the guitar to places it hadn't been before and create sounds on it no one had heard before. To put it pretentiously I wanted to create a new guitar language. To that end I didn't play the Bean in the traditional fashion but instead used found objects, "treated" the strings etc. A whole bunch of other tricks too numerous to post here. By any standard I believe I succeeded in my original goal. I have tapes of my work from 25 years ago and still don't hear anything new that sounds remotely like some of it.
The point of this isn't to claim pioneer status or to brag on myself or to say that I was doing "something new" before alot of you had even heard of Travis Bean guitars. At the time I was aware that I was the only one in that scene even using a Bean let alone doing on it what I was doing. I knew about Mr. Levene and later found out that Sonic Youth was plowing similar ground.
In that period I did have my influences--such flamenco, medieval music, the first Industrial wave (TG, This Heat, etc.--not the pop pap like NIN), but I was really into Cage and Coltrane--as much for their philosophies and methods of operation as for their actual music. However as my musicial education broadened I learned that I wasn't operating in a vacuum after all but that others such as Fred Frith, Robert Fripp w/Eno, etc. etc. had come before me. This was liberating because it taught me that in fact everything is to some extent derivative.
I got out of music totally in 87. In 1996 got back in and discovered that everyone and his uncle were doing the extreme noise and looping thing on guitar and that amongst a certain crowd the Bean had become the "flavor of the month" , and that for some musical genres was now considered "de rigeur". I just shook my head; been there done that.
Nowadays and armed with the knowlege that there is "nothing new under the sun", I just plug straight into the amp (more often than not), and explore the beautiful tone these guitars are capable of producing as they interact with a tube amp. One of these days I may hook everything back up and make some more alien textural collages but right now have no interest in doing any of that.
So if anyone here thinks they are doing something truly new, be forewarned--someone preceded you, and someone else preceded them!
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 12:51 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Cheers LHakim! Cool info....now I feel better about plugging straight into my fuddy duddy old tube amp. Call me retro or whatever, but I just do not enjoy the tone from a solid state amp. Hey I wish I could just play an old saxophone with the skill and brain of Coltrane, but I'm afraid I'm stuck with my limitations. All this equipment obsession is such a testosterone guy thing...ha ha... sometimes I have to laugh at how we can argue endlessly about this crap. It really is just the music (or noise) that matters in the end. Time to go make some.
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LHakim
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 3:12 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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guitarcharlie, back in the 80's I didn't use dynamics as much as I do now. Everything on the guitar was on ten and if I wanted to go from a quiet to a loud passage I used a volume pedal. When I got back into it in '96 I just wanted to plug straight in but found the Traynor was useless for doing the clean to scream thing from the guitar volume knob or with my hands. This led me to tube amps and the quick discovery that for what I now was interested in doing, tubes in general worked better than solid state, but vintage style circuits seemed to allow the most control over playing dynamics and were the most rewarding to use. Mike Bloomfield said, "The whole idea is that if you turn your amp up to 10 you should still be able to play at a whisper. You've got to learn to control your hands." This is great advice for any guitarist.
This is a pretty cool thread. Its great to discover that in addition to finding other people into Travis Beans, some of them like to do it the old school way!
On another note here's another story: Last Saturday I got to demo, some "high-end" amps (Splawn, Voodoo, Cornford, Elmwood etc.). I used my 1957 Les Paul Junior. However the amp dealer and his dad (who is also a musician) freaked out and got all excited when I told them I also owned a Travis Bean!
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 3:42 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Lhakim said it perfectly - "So if anyone here thinks they are doing something truly new, be forewarned--someone preceded you, and someone else preceded them!" Thanks for a really interesting post.
Vincent - I got on your case because your posts criticizing Kevin and others for being "stale" and not experimental enough were obnoxious. Holding a musician to the standard of the Beatles from '64-'68 is silly. I appreciate that you're striving for something original and authentic. I think that's great and I wish you the best. But I also think it's great to read about musician's trying to capture a vintage tone they fell in love with. Dank seems have taken this to the extreme in his pursuit of the Garcia tone. Go for it guy! I love that sound myself.
This forum is unique because it's got a combination of pros and amateurs - all who play Beans. I'm definitely in the amateur category. I'm blown away reading the post from Lhakim. I've been playing guitar for 30 years and it's one of my favorite things in life. I don't claim to be a great original artist, although I do write and occasionally perform original (although HIGHLY derivative) music. I do it because it gives me pleasure. Anyone who is interested is welcome to check out some home-made music on our myspace site - www.myspace.com/dwarfplanets I play my Bean on these recordings.
I hope others will post their experience with different rigs, amps, effects, tone settings, etc. I'm learning a lot. Maybe someday we can have a Travis Bean summit and hear some of this stuff first hand.
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 6:22 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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1972 Fender Bassman 100
Hiwatt 4x12, trashed and restored (great cab)
TB1000A
Cord
I like it.
I also have a two-channel Rivera Knucklehead. Lately, though, I've been crushing the Bassman.
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Hello Matt
Wow.. knucklehead! I'm currently using a TB1000S with a Rivera Knucklehead 100 on top of a 4x12 Marshall with v30s in there. Been seriously considering a Matchless DC30 or HC30 or Independence as my next amp. I occasionally use a Audio Crowther Hot Cake for leads, but other than that I just use the amp.
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Yeah, man. The first time I ever heard a Bean was through a Knucklehead 100 and an Orange 4x12 (Stephen Pedersen, Criteria). The sound was brutal, and it didn't hurt that I loved the band.
But I waited for that Knucklehead to come along for over a year. In the meantime I tried a Rivera m-100; I liked it, but it had too many options for me (amateur) and the gain channel wasn't as "aggressive" as what I wanted. I guess it's the difference in the 6L6s and the EL34s?
Anyway, I love the Knucklehead; really, really loud. What year is yours? I guess mine is from the mid/late 90s - silver grillcloth with controls up top.
I buddy of mine (plays P90 SGs) told me that when he found a good deal on a Hiwatt he got rid of all of his Marshall gear. He liked them that much better. I found one on Ebay, beat to hell, and spent a few months working here and there to get it back in good condition (the speakers were flawless, luckily). It sounds amazing. But I've never played any of my amps with a Marshall cab so it's hard for me to compare. I do have an Orange and I like the sound of the Hiwatt better. I tried to play myself for a while, acting like I didn't because I've got more in the Orange, but I gave up. The Hiwatt fits my taste much better.
I still go back and forth a lot. I think Rivera makes great stuff. But my TB always makes me want to rock!
Rock on.
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 7:50 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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I've never understood why Paul Rivera and his amps don't get more props. The player I most identify with Rivera, Steve Lukather, gets slagged alot as just another overprocessed shredder but I've heard him play some wonderfully melodic stuff with great tone to boot. Bet he would really sound fantastic on a Travis Bean Artist or Standard!
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| Posted: 10/30/2007 at 10:34 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Matt
My Knucklehead is the same. I bought it in 1998, silver grill cloth and controls at the top. I really do enjoy that amp, and yes, it's extremely loud. What I like most about it, is the versatility. You can really get a wide range of tones from that head.
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Using my TB1000A straight through either a Rivera Clubster 45 or a silverface vibrolux w/tubescreamer. I can't believe the volume difference between the Bean and anything else I have (Monty bluesmaster, strat, ASAT, etc). Our other guitar player plugged it into his amp and I plugged his PRS into mine and at the volume settings for the Bean, I couldn't even hear the PRS. Incredibly hot pickups, whatever they are...
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| Posted: 11/22/2007 at 9:18 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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Wow.. another Rivera/Bean combo. Very interesting. I agree, the Bean pickups are HOT. The hottest pickups that I've played with.. are the EGC (Electrical Guitar Company) humbuckers. I thought my Bean was hot, but output of the EGC pickups was louder.
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| Posted: 11/22/2007 at 9:24 AM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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WOW! EGCs are louder?!! I must motivate myself to get one soon. I use Fender tweeds a lot, and I think it's because the circuits are so primitave- but, when the amp[s] are on zero, it sounds like a regular guitar on 1 with a Bean.
I use mostly a '59 Super or a '59 Bassman.
I love hearing what others are playing through.
...Happy Turkey
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Hey, guys. I just wired up and started jamming my first production-level guitar, and this looks like a good time to discuss it.
I decided to put some GFS Mean 90s in it because of the price and I lot of good reviews. I'm really impressed. I played it and my TB Artist through my Knucklehead (same settings) back-to-back and I can honestly say that the Mean 90s are EVERY bit as loud as the TB Humbuckers. They offer a little more treble, but I think I kind of like it; very, very aggressive on the gain channel. Admin will know what I mean. The Knucklehead is a beast. They also sound great through my Bassman - crystal clear.
Anyway, the GFS pickups are pretty tight. For the money, I definitely recommend them.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Rock on.
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egc bass
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qsc power amp
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awesome.
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Hey it's been fun to reread this thread. Back when it started, which is not so long ago really, I had all kinds of fancy ideas about amps and pedals. Several months ago I got a 1959 Fender Harvard, which is an uncommon tweed amp, bigger than a Princeton and smaller than a Deluxe. I've pretty much just been playing the Bean straight through that. It's perfect volume for my apartment, and I can't say that I've ever heard something as sweet sounding anywhere else. Interestingly, it doesn't have any problem staying clean with the Bean when the volume is at 4, which I can't say for a lot of other amps. A Deluxe clone I recently found (chassis by Clark Amps) gets very distorted by 3 with humbuckers. Sounds great too, but doesn't work as well with the Bean.
The amp really is half the instrument. I don't know what I will do for loud situations now.
Ok who will sell me their 5F6-A Bassman?
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thatdamnedfly
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| Posted: 03/17/2008 at 3:07 PM Post subject: RE:what is YOUR rig? |
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ts50b, sunn 4x12. i downsized.
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