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TB1000A on eBay (serial number not listed). Later version with wide horns, thin body and polished neck. This looks like the recently auctioned TB1000A #1386
http://cgi.ebay.com/1978-.....ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
BIN at $8,599, starting bid at $7,990
Good luck
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ggates
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| Posted: 06/05/2008 at 5:28 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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It's the same one that sold on ebay last week for $5700 or so.
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charlie
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| Posted: 06/05/2008 at 5:57 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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They have the guitar on their website listed for $8500. They also have a black standard in transit with no price yet. I wonder if that is also the one that sold recently on ebay for 7k.
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ggates
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| Posted: 06/05/2008 at 8:22 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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I suspect that it may be the one I sold.
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thebaron
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 12:32 AM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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I found these guys on gbase awhile back and contacted them when their Beans first came up for sale. I was interested in the white standard they had but it sold rather quick. Rich told me they had a white TB-500 and that black standard as well but as I'm having #108 put back in black I wasn't interested. I get e-mails from these guys and they have some amazing guitars for sale. Unfortunately I feel their prices are still a few years out! I have been collecting guitars for over 20 years and have done a fair amount of buying and selling but the market in the last 2 or 3 years is like I have never seen!
By the way, #108 made it to RS Guitarworks yesterday and I should have it back in 2 or 3 months.I had em shoot it in black pearl with just a hint of blue in the pearl. They are preserving the original black under the bridge and pickups and inside the cavity control. When I get it back I'll postpictures of the before and after.
Thanks to everyone for the help and info!
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 1:00 AM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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The market may be rising, but a guitar does not go from being in the 5k realm to the 8k range in a week. Does anyone out there believe this is realistic in this amount of time?
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ggates
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 9:53 AM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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Absolutely not. I'm actually offended and the crass attempt, especially since the exact same guitar sold on ebay a week ago. If it was worth $8500 to someone they likely would have bid that amount to win it then.
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charlie
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 10:43 AM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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I guess the usual concept applies that it is worth what someone is willing to pay, so we will see on this one. I seem to remember the record so far on a koa artist was 7k on ebay. This one is pretty cool, but I think the original ebay price was closer to reality. Does anyone know what this seller was asking for the 2 white beans, the standard and the 500 they sold through gbase?
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ggates
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 11:17 AM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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The standard went in the $9000 range, and the 500 was sold by the owner, and they are pretty vague on the price but the insinuation was $15K .
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rlrlrl
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 12:57 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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My guess here is that this dealer has discovered that he has a European market. Most of us on this forum are in the US, and our dollar is so low lately that instruments are being scooped up all over the place outside of the country. In the past on this forum we have thrown around insults about collectors, but those were pretty pointless and meaningless when you compare it to what's happening here. I think this is a new turning point in the Bean market, because this is the first time I've seen them presented in such an institutionalized method, like 50s strats or les pauls, where it's almost irrelevant what they do as instruments. On the other hand, the people on this forum who own multiple Beans have them because of the way they play. BUY THIS BEAN, GREAT INVESTMENT VALUE. I think it's bad news!
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charlie
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 1:37 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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I guess I like to see the bright side of this which is that Beans are getting the respect they are due. It was bound to happen sooner or later. I also think that the folks buying them do love them even if they are expensive. Besides, we are pretty much just seeing the more exotic examples go for the big $. I think the good old koa standard (still my favorite in many ways) is still a reasonable guitar to buy....OK you can't get them for peanuts anymore, but I always thought that situation was a temporary aberration.
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rlrlrl
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 1:48 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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Charlie, I do agree with you. I just think it's annoying to see that guitar fetch a fair value, and then be put right back on the market by a dealer marking it up that much. It's not mint condition or anything, though the wood is very nice. Perhaps the dealer is reading this forum, as he recently registered as a new user, and maybe he would like to tell us more about himself and who his intended market is.
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 2:07 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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i'll second you on it being annoying and i will add it is opportunistic buying a guitar not to play but buying it to flip it for more money. i think bean sellers should take note. don't let others make money off your bean. take the time to advertise it properly and reach out to the europeon market.
its like "vintage" clothing stores across the street from thrift stores that raid the shelves of everything good and then drasticly mark up the price. i personally look down upon that business model but obviously some people have no shame in doing it.
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charlie
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 2:44 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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I agree with you that sometimes that is frustrating, but it really is up to the seller to take the responsibility to take good photos and present the guitar well. If he/she takes lousy photos and gives a lousy description, then it is inevitable that the guitar will sell for less than it might if presented well. This is marketing 101 and unless you are willing to buy all the good deals and then re-sell them for the exact same price to someone else there is no way to change it. Also, let's see what this artist actually sells for, before we assume too much.
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Eric
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 2:50 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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i agree with you charlie i was just speaking from an idealistic perspective and understand where there is a buck to be made someone will find that opportunity i just think there are more noble ways to earn a buck, but who am i to preach. and yeah, and more importantly i don't think it is going to sell at that price so it doesn't matter.
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 3:39 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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Charlie do you really think this guitar would have sold for significantly more money the first time around if there had been better pictures? I think it went for its fair market value.
The thing that scares me about this situation, which is the reason I bring it up at all, is that these kinds of dealers and collectors have a very different set of (moral) values and taste than we do. I don't think the collectors make decisions out of their own sense of (price) value, but rather have dealers saying "nudge nudge old strats are so collectible, and you should pay insane amounts for them". If the Bean market gets dragged into that sort of thing, we're going to see not just different price points, but different ways of dealing with them in general.
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| Posted: 06/06/2008 at 7:09 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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I'm right there with you guys. I've been a plyer for 28 yrs and as stated , a collector for about 20. The guitars that I have get PLAYED! Nothing makes me sadder than meeting a dealer that is only interested in the "flip" and the cash at the end of it. In the fall of 2002 I sold off a chunk of my collection to finance my venue. After being broke as hell for 3 or 4 years it finally started paying off. When I went back to try and replace the guuitars I had sold,to my surprise the prices had in some cases tripled! I sold a white TB-1000S to Gruhns for $1200! I can't touch that one now for 5 times the price!
I can think of no real reason why the price of something like a guitar double overnight. I don't know how many of you follow pricing on other guitars, but I can pinpoint the week that the prices doubled on 1960's Gibson SG Juniors and 1952-56 Les Paul Goldtops and it was all last year!
Sorry to stray from Bean talk, I just think it's all relevant.
Cheers.
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| Posted: 06/07/2008 at 1:19 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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Hi Chaps,
Greetings from the u.k.
Thanks for the interest but for the record the guitar cost me a lot more than $5600.
First of all because I am in the u.k. and the guitar was stateside I had to convert pounds sterling to dollars and lost on the pityful exchange rate. Then I pay shipping which was $400.
So it's already at $6000 before I get it. When it lands in the u.k. that $6000 is converted back to pounds sterling and I get screwed on the exchange rate again. Then I get charged 3.7% import duty and 17.5% tax on the whole price (guitar shipping). When (if) I sell the guitar I pay tax again on the sale price. Go figure. That's importing for you. Maybe I can help you guys out and raise the value of your Beans? I'd love to be a Eropean outlet for these things.
Best wishes,
Rich.
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charlie
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| Posted: 06/07/2008 at 2:31 PM Post subject: RE:TB1000A on eBay |
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Thanks for explaining your point of view on this Rich. I am not a guitar dealer, but I own a very small business, so I sympathize with your ordeal with taxes and fees not to mention the cost of running a business with a couple employees and rent etc. Vintage guitars will always strike an emotional chord because they are usually owned and loved by musicians and artists who get priced out of the market by the interests of collectors and investors etc. Its a tricky road. I hope others don't get too upset about this. I guess I am resigned to it, as I have seen this transition occur with other guitars I have owned and loved over the last 30 years. There are plenty of shady vintage guitar dealers out there, so I appreciate anyone who is a straightforward and honest.
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