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peggyfoster

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PostPosted: 12/30/2008 at 11:34 PM    Post subject: Real Names link

Why do some of you use code names on this Travis Bean site?
Why not sign your comments with your real names?
Just curious ...
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PostPosted: 12/31/2008 at 12:41 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

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pbeekman

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PostPosted: 12/31/2008 at 1:00 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I just use my name as a tag - it's the same on ebay, too. I think many people use tags either:

A. For the fun of it.
B. To protect their privacy on the web (understandable, really)
C. To be cool
D. To be anonymous for dodgy purposes.
E. Any other suggestions from others?

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Ezra

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PostPosted: 12/31/2008 at 10:05 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

For me its paranoia,
I have a fairly unique last name and no security system in my house other than a 100 pound chow (actually he's fairly effective)
I have a feeling if someone were motivated it wouldn't be that hard to find out where I live, and having 3 guitars worth several thousand dollars each would seem to be motivation enough.

I realize the risk is probably fairly small but thats the kind of crazy shit that goes thru my head sometimes.

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rlrlrl

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PostPosted: 12/31/2008 at 10:56 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Hi Peggy -- You might be a little off the mark when you write "code names" and "on this site". Going by a username has been standard practice pretty much since the beginning of the internet. Do you participate in other forums? Most people go by usernames in general.

I would guess that it came from the fact that there are lots of people with the same name. If you were registering for a new account on gmail, wouldn't you rather be something like peggybass@gmail.com rather than peggyfoster8427@gmail.com?

It's just kind of the status quo. Like tuning a guitar to E. Maybe that's not a good metaphor. I'm sure for most people there's nothing intentionally bad about it.

What's in a username?

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Joefish

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PostPosted: 12/31/2008 at 12:05 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

First, Paul, sorry for calling you Phil ¦ (you know New Years Day/holiday and all) ¦ I think you, Ezra and rlrlrl pretty much nailed it down for me. On a fishing site I visit, I go by Joefish ¦ (Dean Wean also visits that site ¦ it's only a matter of time until he realizes how cool 500's are) and I guess I thought I might as well go by one name

Additionally, I agree with B) To protect their privacy on the web and D) To be anonymous for dodgy purposes

Again, sorry for getting the name wrong!

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Kevin

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PostPosted: 12/31/2008 at 12:09 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I generally use the name jimmyjames6. It stemmed from ebay making me create an I.D. years ago and it stuck. Nothing super secret.

On a place like the internet were pictures are generally at a loss, you need be able to I.D. someone else and yourself with a bigger pallette of names than Steve, Alex, etc. If my name was Peggy Foster too, this would get really confusing.



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BeanDip

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PostPosted: 12/31/2008 at 3:27 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I think we should use our social security numbers instead. If any one wants to know rlrlrls real name its Chris Burke.

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charlie

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PostPosted: 12/31/2008 at 5:22 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I'm sort of in Ezra's paranoid camp. Some of us are not famous or our careers and lives do not have anything to do with being public figures on a musical instrument board. I just don't feel that comfortable allowing some potentially mischevious internet lurker the ability to figure out where I live etc etc. Although I trust the people who post on this board, it is the the people who DO NOT post that I worry about!

Happy New Year fellow bean heads!

guitarcharlie@gmail.com (email for detailed and fascinating profile!)

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PostPosted: 01/04/2009 at 1:41 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

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KoaGod

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PostPosted: 01/04/2009 at 8:45 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Wow.. now this ia funny read.

Vincent, you slam the grounds of security, yet you're reasoning for using real names is to enforce some kind of justice and accountability. You think by using "real names" this will solve the problem. Name, real name.. code name, whatever it all is up in th e air in the internet. How do I know you're the real Vincent Gallo? What would stop me to change my name to Clint eastwood and link to his wikipedia?? Maybe you'll catch me in that lie, and I change it to Cher next. Wait, that brings up my other points.. pen names, stage names, how do you feel about those?

My friends and people I deal with on the internet know my real name, strangers weirdos and general public, they can know my "code name" until we become friends.

im going to go duck now...................
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PostPosted: 01/04/2009 at 9:04 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Hello All

Forum handles will remain in place. Users can have the option to use a "handle" or use their real names. Names should not be used as a form of solely identifying users because they can be faked or altered.

I do appreciate Vincent's concerns, but the rules have definitely changed with the age of the internet. I deal with internet security and identity theft protection in my occupation and it's something to not be take too lightly.

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Grant

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PostPosted: 01/04/2009 at 9:23 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I don't really see an issue with using code names. Even without knowing their real names I think it's possible to make a judgement about a user's credibility, the reliabilty of their suggestions, advices etc. At least that's my experience after being active in various forums since the early 90s (back in the days before the www, when you only had newsgroups and forums to browse through). And besides, how could you confirm that someone who claims to be using their real name is actually that person (maybe our Vincent Gallo is actually Sean Penn or Arnold Schwarzenegger, who knows...)? Certainly not in a way that wouldn't severly disrupt the way forums like this one works. Would a rule to only use your real name solve the "dilemma" regarding shady users? I don't think so, every rule can be bypassed.

I think the protection of one's privacy is the main and totally legitimate reason for which an individual may choose to participate in an internet forum under a code name. I guess it would be simple to come up with many reasons in addition to the ones already mentioned why you don't want to leave more traces on the internet than necessary. I don't know, little things like e.g. you don't want to have a time stamp on your postings documenting that you spent private time on this forum when you were supposed to work, or something like that.


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KoaGod

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PostPosted: 01/04/2009 at 11:32 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Most everyone feels different then you on this topic I guess...

I've known hte admin for many years via this site and emails I wonder how he likes to see his name in this topic.

KG

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PostPosted: 01/04/2009 at 11:42 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

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PostPosted: 01/04/2009 at 12:18 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

for me, this discussion was a welcome reason to change my silly fast-picked board-name "beanbugger" into my real name. I wanted to do this after a few days on the forum, but never found the time to do it...



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BeanDip

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PostPosted: 01/04/2009 at 1:28 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Im going to buy Vincent a CB radio for Christmas next year. At least I know what his Handle will be. "breaker breaker one nine this is VIncent Gallo trying to get a 20 on some wedges. Any one got there ears on come back" I will be changing my handle to my real name shortly.

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Matthew Griffiths

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PostPosted: 01/04/2009 at 2:10 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I don't post much, for I'm trying to learn before posting and sounding ridicules. I've only been a member for a short while, but I very much enjoy this and one day hope to provide useful information in regards to topics. As of now I'm just going to be a fly on the wall.

Matthew William Griffiths
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BeanDip

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PostPosted: 01/04/2009 at 5:19 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

10-4 good buddy. Next time in LA I will see if you have your ears on. (insert Rosco P. Coltrane laugh)

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Somnambulist

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 11:54 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I've been using the internet since the early days of usenet, irc, etc. Back then everyone used handles and I've been Somnambulist or Amethyst since then. (20ish years.) Since it's easy to remember that's what I usually pick first and since my real name is William Byrd I could be a million people.

The choice to use a 'handle' isn't for security or privacy purposes and it's definitely not an attempt to participate or broker sketchy transactions on the internet. It's just a habit I've kept since usenet/irc days.

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hogrot

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 1:56 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

i'm shaun mccormack.

i've been using hogrot as an online handle since the first time i used the internet. no real reason, i guess i just like the sound of it. i'm not afraid of being identified or anything like that.

and whoever asked about gallo's real ID, i can verify him since i met him at a hotel in NYC to look at a possible bean swap. dude had a pretty impressive collection of guitars in tow.

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sam1716

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 2:03 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I've revealed my real name in another thread on this board, and I'm not worried about it. I don't think that privacy is a non-issue though.

It's easy to say "privacy from what?" but I've personally been the victim of Internet harassment. I won't go into details, but it went on for multiple years and caused me a tremendous amount of stress. I was constantly signed up for mailing lists and had postings made with my email address, etc. Law enforcement was involved.


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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 2:04 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Oh, and FWIW, I've been an Internet user since 1991 and agree with Somnam.

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BoulderBean

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 2:40 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Admin is on target here (as usual). Handles are an important option, but are clearly not for everyone. This site is managed in a responsible way and if someone with an anonymous handle does something wrong or inappropriate or illegal the Admin has access to that person's identity information.

I chose a handle when I joined this community in 2004 out of habit, but have used my real name on many threads. I respect those who choose to use their real names as well as those who prefer to use a handle. It's all good.

Happy New Year Beaners. Make music in 2009!

Peter Mayer
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rlrlrl

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 5:28 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Hey Somnambulist! In addition to guitar puttering, I also play the harpsichord (specifically the Virginals), and one of my favorite Renaissance composers is William Byrd. He wrote some pretty heavy stuff. nice ;)

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 6:32 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

That's interesting rlrlrl, I've been known to play harsichord - I have an old Roland Digital Harpsichord now, which is a rare beast. I trained as a pipe-organist for about 12 years, too - plenty of metal in those!

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 10:54 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

"Another dilemma that some of the collectors here confront is the phantom bidder. The phantom bidder is used consistently to manipulate the market value of instruments and known thieves and con men post freely on this site. A couple in particular who post here are banned from every music store in Los Angeles, yet with their nifty code names they are reborn here and the disgraceful reputation that surrounds them in the real world never gets attached to their code name"

VG, you go on and on about these "con men" but never give us any stories or point a finger. That makes everyone who uses a code name suspect. I have been reading this forum since the summer of 08 more or less everyday. Ever so often you speak of these mystery con men. Give us some dirt. If any one out there is actually banned from every guitar store in LA I would love to find out why! That's pretty powerful.

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rlrlrl

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 10:54 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

When you put it that way it gives it a nice spin. I'm Robbie from Brooklyn ;)

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rlrlrl

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 10:56 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

(of course I was referring to Vincent's post, not the Count's...)

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charlie

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 11:05 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Well, I just have to say that if some people did not use silly names we would not get to enjoy the fun of such names as "count beanula" !!!! That one had me laughing pretty good....I'm thinking I need a new bean handle myself!

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PostPosted: 01/05/2009 at 11:44 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

well, without trying to give much detail you did! If members email you personally could they get the entire story??? What exactly was the "Con"?

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admin

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PostPosted: 01/06/2009 at 7:27 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

"well Count, the admin does not allow us to express our experiences with any real details."

Count, in earlier discussions on forum behavior, we are not allowing attacks or accusations of other forum members, and also the disclosure of personal information (real names, phone numbers, etc). It inevitably leads to a "he said, she said" which then leads to flame wars. We are moving away from this forum behavior. If anyone wants to hear Vincent's accounts, they are more than free to email Vincent with questions (assuming Vincent wants to talk about it). Vincent also has the right to post his own personal experiences on his web site with real information, but this is not the venue for this topic.

"with code names thieves and phantom bidders simply change their code names or create new accounts under new names here."

Couldn't these same types of people change their "real names" just as easily and create a new account? My point is code names are the same as real name in a forum.

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PostPosted: 01/06/2009 at 3:05 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

One pro and one con (har har) :

Yes, a lot of other gear sites only allow access to classified sections when you are fully registered and have made more than 50 relevant posts. I think that would be a great idea here, and thanks for suggesting it Vincent. But that might require a lot more web coding work or bandwidth than the Admin can deal with. I think you'd also have to have a Private Message (PM) system implemented, to make that work.

Now on that other point, about usernames vs real names -- Vincent seems to be concerned with two different things, 1) people who are blatant con artists who are up to illegal and criminal activities, and 2) people who are negative schemers with poor morals, who act in ways that are combative to him and other people, and who change screen names in a confusing way. These are two totally different things, and they require two different approaches.

I'm curious how other people feel about real names in the public vs private internet domains. When I've emailed anyone from this board privately, I have always signed my real name. And a lot of people know about me personally, like which bands I play in and where I live, etc. I just haven't found that info to be publicly relevant, but neither is it a big deal.

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PostPosted: 01/06/2009 at 8:12 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

The following isn't meant to be combative, just an observation and an honest question.

I don't trade or collect vintage guitars so I had never thought about the stigma attached to reputation or the use of one's real name in this respect. I can see why people who are spending thousands of dollars on highly collectible vintage guitars would care about people using their real names and backing up their dealings with their reputations.

With that said, I have to ask why even Vincent, who is promoting the use of real names, doesn't use his real name on eBay? Does this help feed into the phantom bidder problem and market manipulation that you talked about before? If so, how is it any different from interacting with people on here who read the forums and are actively engaged in buying, selling, and collecting?

As I said before, my use of a handle is strictly an old habit and I don't have any problem telling people who I am or providing contact information including address and phone number. Anyone who was smart and inclined could figure it out themselves by looking at the whois information on the domain on my profile. As ruthless as people say the vintage guitar collecting market is I can see why people would think that people were hiding behind their online persona though.

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PostPosted: 01/06/2009 at 8:38 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I feel as though many are misinterpreting what Mr. Gallo is trying to express. He is not forcing anyone nor is he disregarding with one's use of a screename. He instead is stating how with the use of real names, one can put a greater trust in another than otherwise given. From my readings of the past posts he like many others in this forum, are just trying to look out for the fellow members of this online community.

I find that you can't compare ebay to this forum. It is a whole other matter using your real name on ebay than it is on Travis Bean. Countless numbers access ebay, and anyone who where to use their real name on ebay is silly and subject to whatever happenings where to occur. I can't imagine this forum to be subject to such happenings, therefore real names help serve as a stepping stone to introduction and a more personal feel.

(I'm not speaking for Mr. Gallo, nor do I know how he feels or anyone feels, just stating my own opinion in regards to this matter.)

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PostPosted: 01/06/2009 at 8:54 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Even though they are not completely comparable they do have similar mechanisms to build reputation like the feedback system. It seems as if you're using eBay for similar things (collecting vintage musical gear) as say this forum or the Rickenbacker forum wouldn't using your real name have the same desired effect there? If not I suppose that could be because the people you're dealing with (not vintage gear collectors?) are sufficiently removed from the circles normally operated in that your name wouldn't have any bearing?

Like I said, I'm just curious. I wasn't trying to directly compare the two, I was just trying to determine what's considered best practice for this kind of stuff. I don't collect guitars as I stated in my last post so I find the underhanded and cheating elements people keep talking about to be kind of surprising.

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PostPosted: 01/06/2009 at 9:33 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I will change my user name back in a few minutes. Im just trying to prove a point. "real names" are the same as code names. unless Hank comes to your house and checks your I.D. gmail accounts, pay as you go cell phones. Its all BS. I always do guitar deals in person or I have to be able to cross reverence the person with a Land line and an address I can look up in the white pages for net deals. Even then I would just rather drive and pick it up. Trying to turn this into a "safe" place to do business is pointless. Even ebay can't do that and you have to confirm your account with your bank account! It is a great place to get together and chat about beans though.

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PostPosted: 01/07/2009 at 6:55 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Thanks for the reply Vincent. I didn't really mean to debate the issue even if that's how it came out, it really was just curiosity on my part.

I'll defer to you on what all is possible via eBay these days. In the past (3-4 years ago was thankfully the last time I had a dispute) the tools didn't seem to be as nearly as advanced as they are now for resolving these issues although I imagine some of that is a result of the merging of PayPal and eBay.

I understand the point you were making now, sorry if my question was badly phrased. :-)

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PostPosted: 01/07/2009 at 7:06 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

¦ with regard to Vincent wishing that Travis himself would post, If I was a betting man, I say that has had to have happened ¦ at least a few times ¦ come on ¦ if you were Travis ¦ wouldn't you play Bean Jeopardy a few times with Vincent

Finally, since this thread mentions collecting I'd like to mention what I would buy if I was a collector/had the financial resources ¦ (Please note that I have Wedge #29 and am not a collector) ¦ after I got a few 500's ¦ Standards and Artists ¦ Telecasters, Broadcasters and Strats and the requisite Les Pauls, Juniors, SGs ¦etc ¦ I'd get a Thompson ¦ it's probably just me ¦ but, I played one once for about 90 seconds in the early 80's and to this day ¦ I still remember it like it was yesterday ¦ it had the most awesome Strat sound ¦ played like ¦ like ¦ well, it was just a way too cool guitar ¦ and when I selected the bridge and middle pickup ¦ well ¦ it was a rush ¦



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PostPosted: 01/08/2009 at 5:41 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

I've not been around here much lately but this is an interesting thread. All points raised about Internet identities and reasons behind using them vs real names are all valid in different ways.

I post in several places online as awkwardsilence as it's the name of one of my record labels - www.awkwardsilencerecordings.com and I've been using the name online for 10 years.

It's nice to put names to net IDs on the Bean board. I don't post here much but I'm John Banfield from Kent (south east of London) in England, owner of TB1000 Standard #1394.

Best wishes to all for 2009...

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PostPosted: 01/08/2009 at 5:43 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Also, I meant to say, I'm surprised Travis Bean has never publicly posted on here. I know he does other things with his life now but thought he would have an active interest in what's debated here considering all the time and effort he put into creating these great instruments.

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PostPosted: 01/08/2009 at 8:52 AM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

my name is sam, i am 23 and i am from london. i use the name holmes on here because it sounds cool - unlike most of you lots crappy codenames. wow i really sounded like a complete geek then. alright!

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PostPosted: 01/08/2009 at 2:43 PM    Post subject: RE:Real Names link

Hmmm......holmes, london....

You wouldn't happen to live at 221B Baker Street would you?

Now all we need is a Watson and Moriarty....



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