dave
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 Posted: 03/31/2002 at 7:30 AM Post subject: necks |
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Anyone know where I might pick up an aluminum neck on its own? It doesn't have to be a Bean neck.
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wiggle
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| Posted: 04/05/2002 at 5:46 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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get in touch with:
abcgroup_doc@hotmail.com
makers of fine aluminum instruments.
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Greg Bailey
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Chris Hall
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| Posted: 11/10/2003 at 5:10 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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The fact that you make aluminum necks with Travis' trademark "T" in the headstock is retarded. Not to mention something he could probably sue you over since the "T" is mentioned in his patent... Why make a bolt-on travis-like neck, so the losers with Kramers can pretend that they have a TB with an "exotic" aluminum fretboard?
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Greg Bailey
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| Posted: 11/12/2003 at 9:37 AM Post subject: RE:necks |
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Does this mean that you don't want one?
First off, these two necks were made for someone who ordered them, I don't produce them and then find someone to buy them. Most of the work I do is custom work for people who wish to play something they really want rather than something everyone else has or something that has been made over and over thousands of times
Secondly, I know this guy and he has a real Travis Bean and has owned a Veleno guitar, so he doesn't need to pretend to have something that he really doesn't. besides, I beleive he paid more in the long run for the all aluminum guitar that I assembled for him than most of the Travis Beans usually sell for on Ebay. People do have a right to their selection of instrument, Just because you don't like it doesn't make me or my customers retarted. Have you ever made a guitar, wood or aluminum? It takes a real retard to go to school studying the machine tool trade for years and building and repairing guitars for over 25 years. The guy that ordered this neck likes the Tavis Bean shape and wanted something that would be light weight. The other dimensions of the neck do not match the Travis Bean guitar. How many aluminum guitars did Mr. Bean make shaped like a Les Paul? Maybe Gibson should sue me also.
If Travis Bean wanted to sue me over two guitar necks it would cost him a hell of a lot more than he would get in return, besides, this type of thing is normally handle with a cease and desist letter. If I was to receive an actual letter from persons representing Mr. Bean, I wouldn't make any more of them. I don't think that I will get any other orders for them anyway. Some people consider immitation a form af flattery.
Retarted could also be used to describe someone who goes around critsizing others with out gathering any facts and begins to slander them publicly, Hey, That could be a law suit, you think?
I usually post here to help others or get info I need or even find parts that I can use. I never go around looking for people to attack. That's the kind of person that makes a forum like this a bummer.
Greg Bailey
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lph
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| Posted: 11/12/2003 at 10:20 AM Post subject: RE:necks |
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I'm with Greg on this one -- I think the "T" headstock is more or less fair game. It's the best look and design for an aluminum headstock, which needs to be cutout to reduce weight. "T" happens to be Travis's initial, but I think from a pure design perspective that the T-cutout headstock is the natural, best solution to the equation, and that Travis would have made the guitars that way even if his name were Steve, or Bob, or Matt. Or Cathy.
I own two Travis Beans and I don't have a problem with Greg's necks. Just my two cents. I know Chris Hall makes his own aluminum guitars, so he's not coming at this discussion blind, but I reckon it's worth some back-and-forth.
Several other production companies have used elements of Travis Bean's original design (without lawsuit), but none as successfully. The original was the pure form, and I'd love to see something comparable in production today. To refine and use Travis's innovations in guitar design could and should be taken a show of respect. Why not?
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Chris Hall
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| Posted: 11/12/2003 at 7:53 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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I said the *FACT* that you make (or have made, as you've stated) aluminum necks with Travis' trademark "T" in the headstock is retarded. Never said -you- or your customer(s) are. The action itself is just as retarded as buying a ferrari testarossa body kit for a 1986 pontiac fiero and driving it around town like you're "the shit". I have never made a guitar (contrary to lph's statement) but if I did, I sure wouldn't design any part of it to resemble the key signature look of another one. The fact that he owns a Travis Bean doesn't make it any better. I own a wedge bass and a standard lefty bass... it'd be pointless to design a new guitar from scratch to look like either one of them. There are more ways to lighten a headstock than a T, or the kramer / vacarro, or veleno ways. I guess what it all comes down to is your customer has no creative imagination. As far as your abilities as a machinist, I have total respect for them. You seem to do amazing work. I'm a huge fan of fabrication... just not the kind that rips off an existing design. That's the real "bummer". Hope that clears things up for you. As far as the comment I made about Travis "suing" you... that was just a hurried remark I made. I'm well aware that having a patent doesn't mean someone can't produce a patented item, it just means the patent holder has the legal right to make them stop.
Chris
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paul
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| Posted: 11/13/2003 at 2:49 AM Post subject: RE:necks |
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Well I don't have to defend myself for asking for something to be made for me, or for mr.bailey's amazing necks ... I will anyways.
First of all, what is the main point that you're trying to make? Are travis beans all original or are they an improvement on something TB himself might have liked?
What makes tbs original?
aluminum neck?
done by messenger guitars back in '69
aluminum neck thru bridge?
Done by Wandre in the mid 60's
aluminum headstock w/ the makers first name as the symbol?
also done by wandre
double cutaway body?
done by so many it's hard to pinpoint.
My point being that something can be improved w/out being totally stolen.
I used to love tbs and I've had nearly a dozen of them, everything from a v to tb500's and several artist and standards. They are cool guitars no doubt but they aren't perfect... for me. When I finally got a Veleno several years back I got closer to what I was looking for. So when Greg made this neck for me and put it on an aluminum les paul body I got from ebay, he made what I consider to be the best playing and looking neck on earth. It has the tb headstock, true. But it's all aluminum and it's the exact scale and width of the Veleno neck which in my estimation is far easier to play and it has the tb's radius for tapping purposes. My custom lp/tb is the best guitar I've ever owned or played and in my opinion smokes any bean I've had w/ ease because it's so much easier to play and generally has a more distinct sound.
Greg has made it possible to have something as odd as an all aluminum neck made in a matter of weeks and I paid far less for the entire guitar than a decent TB would bring plus the luxory of having a guitar and neck made to your specification is something everyone should experience not just the filthy rich and talentless posers on mtv.
The headstock was entirely my idea, I had a different idea which was a pacman shaped headstock but we had no idea if it would work w/ the tuners etc... so I went w/ the tried and tested tb headstock that looks great and works just as well.
Wait... aren't you a bass player? Why am I arguing w/ a bass player? Maybe you can get your guitarist online so the alpha males can talk...
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Chris Hall
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| Posted: 11/13/2003 at 2:30 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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Ok, apparently you *still* don't get it. I said RIPPING OFF THE TRADEMARK T is retarded. I *thought* my analogy of the fiero / ferrari would help you understand... guess not. Let's try another car analogy:
You having a neck made with a "T" in it is like you going to the BMW dealer and ordering BMW and ///M badges, then sticking them on your FORD ESCORT. Get it now? IT'S THE "T", done almost exactly like Travis Bean T's, that makes it retarded. That's essentially the "badge" on a Travis Bean guitar, so by copying it on to a NON-TB, it's RETARDED. The fact that it's aluminum doesn't even really matter. Not to mention I never once said that every idea TB had was "original", so your breakdown of aluminum necks / body styles / etc is pointless. We're all really impressed with your "vast knowledge" on guitars, I'm sure. Saying TB "ripped off" other guitar makers by using certain materials is like saying every auto maker ripped off Henry Ford when they used steel for the bodies of their cars too. Now... if Travis Bean made "V" headstocks in almost the exact same shape and style as Veleno's guitars had, then *that* would BE RETARDED. Hopefully I've made it simple enough for even you to understand. I also never said having custom tailored necks was retarded, or that Greg's work was... I actually said I thought he did amazing work. So again, your rant about that was also pointless. All you should have really been defending was your un-original, non-creative choice for a headstock "design".
As far as your lame "alpha male" dig from the age old ridiculous standpoint that guitar players are somehow superior to bass players, (I'm sure someone like Michael Manring would make you his bitch in a second if you were ever good enough to stand on the same stage with him), let's not bring that in to this... If your aforementioned choice in headstock design is any indication of your creative ability as a guitar player, I'd have to say "tapping"+high tech flashy guitar+you being the "alpha male" in your band=you being in a bad no wave indie prog rock band. You're probably wearing a US Maple t-shirt as you read this right now.
I can just picture it. 10 years ago:
You down in the parents basement, trying to perfect your favorite Fripp guitar parts as your mom yells at you to "turn that awful thing down" while your sister sits in her room, telling her friends how "different" you are because you own some "weird record with a top hat-wearing fish on the cover that sounds like a bunch of retards playing together". Rock on man.
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paul
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| Posted: 11/13/2003 at 7:15 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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That was funny!!
I don't know who Michael Manning is but I'm sure he's some super fusion bassiest w/ that T.Rex style(you know the bass 1/2 way up his neck) and I'm sure he can make all sorts of amazing riffs... on bass. Who cares??
Youo totally nailed some stuff so I'm assuming that you either know me or have had an argument w/ me before. I like US Maple but I ain't wearing the shirt now, and I'm in an indie prog band, no no wave though sorry.
I can see your point clearly and it's a valid point, but you have to admit the TB headstock is a very functional headstock and that's why it's easy to use , not just for looks but for playability and function.
Anyways, I had a good laugh I'm sure you did too. Get Greg to make you a neck w/ Michael Manning's face on the headstock and kep playing all those notes noone can hear or care about.
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Chris Hall
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| Posted: 11/14/2003 at 5:02 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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Haha. I actually have never run in to you online before, and I don't know you... so that's pretty funny. I like Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and Bat Chain Puller as much as the next guy, so... yeah.
Actually, you'd probably appreciate Michael Manring... especially solo. He has a signature bass called the Zon hyperbass. 3 octave 4 string fretless with a detunable bridge and 4 tuning machines with levers that tune up (like those D-tuners). One of his songs features 14 different tunings, and he changes between those tunings over 100 times (he does this a lot in songs). I watched him do it live (along with a ton of other amazing shit) and he never uses overdubs on his albums, so there's no "trickery" involved. Here's an MP3 of the track... check it out:
http://members.core.com/~.....anringTheEnormousRoom.MP3
Sometimes he plays 3 basses at the same time (has 2 people hold up basses next to him to tap on, so he can play at least 2 basses at once... or wears all 3) and he uses capo's a lot which he'll knock off to detune in a song, etc. He's a student of Jaco Pastorious, and I think a Juliard graduate, etc etc etc.
Maybe *your* bass players notes are buried in the mix and just follow your guitar parts (poor guy), but the slight overdrive sound and the agressive way I attack my strings never gets lost.
Nothing sounds worse than that Paul McCartney flatwound thumb-played sound. I like the Entwistle / Squire "can you hear me now" way...
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Wade
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| Posted: 11/14/2003 at 6:46 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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Michael Manring can play 3 basses at once and is working on playing a 4th with the latter stuck up his arse so every time he farts it clicks one of it's 15 switches that automatically plays a supersonic fast scale and I hear on his next tour he plans do it on ice. Big ******* deal!!!
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Chris Hall
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| Posted: 11/14/2003 at 6:50 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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Go practice your silvertone "strat" with the aluminum foil glued to the back of the neck some more and shut up, you limey bitch.
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Michael Manring
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| Posted: 11/14/2003 at 7:06 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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I'm going to call my next album Retard Bitch!
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Paul McCartney
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| Posted: 11/15/2003 at 4:45 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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Hi Michael. I thought your first choice of title for your new album Circus Music was good but Retard Bitches is even better. I wish John and I thought of that rather than Sgt Peppers. With that title you should sell lots of albums in the market for intellectual women.
I've taken your advice and customized my Hofner bass with two extra necks and 12 lights flashing on & off knobs that don't do anything but look real cool.
I've also taken off my old flatwounds that have been on my bass since 1962 for Superduperbrights and have sent them to you airmail by Trans Redneck Airlines. I got sick of that dull bass sound that helped me become the biggest selling music artist in the entire history of the planet and a multi billionaire, have you hit your anticipated 10.000 sales yet?
Must go now as I've got a diaper to change, lots of love Paul.
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paul
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| Posted: 11/15/2003 at 8:35 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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actually mr. mccartney , Garth Brooks is the greatest selling artist of all time now?!? As far as actual volume, I'm guessing people in Alabama buy a lot of cds....
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Paul McCartney
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| Posted: 11/16/2003 at 5:36 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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Damm, see what happens when you get a new beautiful wife 40 years younger than yourself, you take your eye off the ballgame for one moment and find some upstart overtakes you on record sales. Still I'm working on a dance rap remix of my 1970s flop Mary Had A little Lamb that's going to take the world by storm and put me right back on top so I can start earning $25.000 per nano second again.
If you're the Paul with the all Aluminium guitar I bet it sounds totally awesome if you think it's even better than the Veleno you once owned. What sort of pickups do you use in it? I have heard Veleno's played live a couple of times during the 1970s. Once played by Todd Rundgren and his bass player Kasim Sultan and once by the guy in the Chicago Climax Blues Band. I was walking up the stairs to the hall while the CCBB were already on stage and thought WOW! What a guitar tone! I walked in straight to the front and spent the gig drooling over his guitar sound.
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paul
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| Posted: 01/16/2004 at 12:39 PM Post subject: RE:necks |
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I use Harmonic Design Z-90's in the neck and bridge and the neck pickup is probably the best I've ever heard!! The bridge on the other hand is pretty ordinary, but I think it's because the bridge section of the guitar is completely hollow while the neck pickup resides on a chunk of aluminum.
I also just sent G.Bailey another aluminum body... an aluminum Breadwinner body for him to build a neck and put together as only he can. Don't worry about the bean reference, this time we're doing my own design... a Pac-man headstock, hopefully this guitar plays and soounds as good as the LP w/ TB headstock he built me, or at least close, I love this LP he built so much it may be a once in a lifetime guitar, everything is right about it. Damn I'm a pretty happy customer.
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