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Vincent, how much did these different version weigh and did the neck heavy aspect change with the thinner body types? I have heard everything from 8 1/2 pounds up to 12. (The 12 was from a dealer that supposedly had a real one.)
That inside shot on the ebay guitar appears to have thinner walls up toward the horns and then the extra metal left in the cavity down by the butt,.....I assume for a better weight distribution.
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| Posted: 09/15/2008 at 12:21 AM Post subject: RE:VELENO for sale on eBay |
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Vincent, thanks for the info! I have been watching this one since it came up and was going to put in my bid at the end. I've only held two Velenos in my hands over the years and would love to own one but they don't come up that often. I was a little turned off by the thinner body description but thought I might still give it a go. I guess I'll keep waiting until a REAL one shows up.Thanks for your insight.
Also, I played one of the later Velenos from 2003{?} when they had been brought back into production for a short time. What's your opinion on these and was $6000 a fair price.
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As always values are entirely subjective.
Many years ago when I was buying beans for $1500, Original Veleno's were selling for between $8000 and US$14000!
Sure there was the very very occasional bargain around for $2000, but this was about 8 years ago!
Veleno's are great collectable instruments, before the bean hype got going crazy, Veleno's were considered the king pin as far as Aluminum guitars go.
Sure they've been in a bit quiet patch, but that's probably more due to supply, they just don't pop on the market often enough to get the hype going. They are too hard to find and those few that do appear are often well over $10000!
But to those who are after them they are a prize catch, they look, sound and play incredible!
I've had several with different body styles.
They are all great and all different.
Weights and balances vary as does tone and acoustic qualities.
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Hey, I love the beans, I love the Velenos,
I'm a big fan of veleno's thin necks! And Beans chunky necks!
Like any guitar, you've got to get used to it, but I can play them just fine, they are beautiful player's guitars as far as I am concerned!
From my point of view they are awesome guitars, I don't know why people would collect them if they didn't like them? (well I can think of a couple or reasons)
Anyway, I'd love to snap up any Veleno that was offered for $3000! I wish I could buy them at that price every day, good deal on getting one at $6,500 vincent, wish we were all that lucky!
The ones that were commanding the highest of prices were early models that had excellent provenance.
The prices I quote are from personal experience, and yes there were the occasional one under $3000, but like I said, they last about 6 hours at that price!
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I believe waystolive once owned #12, amongst others. That was many years ago, and it sold for 6500 British Pounds, and this currency was running at more than twice the value of the $U.S. at the time. To my knowledge the guitar is still in England, but who knows. It also had that semi-acoustic tone associated with the earlier Velenos, and the rotating selector knob. A truly great instrument - but alongside the later thinner body guitars, it sounded somewhat 'airy', whereas the later Velenos are better balanced, slightly heavier, and more resonant. More like Beans, really! I know these things from personal experience, and still have different (original) models in hand if anyone would like detailed descriptions of their respective qualities.
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Mr. Gallo, I should have known that the Veleno at Guitar Center in Hollywood was bought by you. Well done on the price, very soon after it first went up for sale I checked it out, but at that time it was going for $8999- I was only in LA for a short time and left town soon after. I kept checking to see if it was still there and was amazed that no one had bought it for so long but by the time I finally returned back to Los Angeles and went down there it was gone. Oh well, maybe it is for the best because now, instead, I own a Travis Bean. I have to say I love the neck profile and the sound of the Veleno a great deal and maybe I don't have the authority to say which would suit me better seeing as I only played the Veleno that one time, but in the end I am much happier with the Travis Bean. Maybe some day far away in the future...
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Pbeekman, I for one would like to hear your impressions on the various original models you own. There is so little detailed information about these online, your first hand knowledge and descriptions would be most welcome. You too, Vincent Gallo.
But guys, please don't get in a schoolyard pissin' match about who's got the better Veleno, mines hot... your's not, my Veleno could beat up your Veleno, etc. I'd rather just hear about the guitars. Lay forth a little of that Veleno knowledge, please.
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Well, for example, the early ones (e.g. #12 I mentioned) didn't have pickguards at all - just the plain chrome fronts. The number of screws connecting the front and back sections of machined body were also lower from memory. At present, I have a couple of thinner guitars in hand, and an ex-celebrity owned guitar with a thicker body, clean metal finish neck (as opposed to the black coated ones) and screw holes for the pickguard, as well as an interesting Traveller model. Speaking of which, Waystolive also sold a Traveller (#9 from memory?) several years back for 9k at the time - a chrome one. They are very rare, and it would be worth a lot more in the current vintage guitar market, I would imagine. I'll keep the owner's name private, of course, but it's in the U.S. now. Veleno Travellers are fantastic pieces of industrial design, and they sound great too - although they are short scale, of course. What else comes to mind ... well, it's strange, but most Veleno necks are attached to the body by three screws, with a third smaller hole drilled (presumably to align neck and body in the production process?). Also, some of the later model Velenos have very slightly larger neck dots than the early ones. There are at least 4 variations in body design, too, with the really early ones pretty much 50/50 thickness between the body halves, the next series having a reduction in height in the back section, but basically the same thickness overall, then a series with a thinner body overall, and finally, the ones that started this thread - with the back section being a plate that can be removed separately to the neck / front section. That #12 guitar (which was originally made for Ronnie Montrose, incidentally), did have a real 'hollow-body' sound, which I must say I really enjoyed, so I'm not suggesting it was inferior - although, it's true, it was definitely neck heavy compared with the later slimmer design guitars. Most Velenos I've seen have the chrome finish, with the plain aluminium finish neck (and yes, I realise they have magnesium in the alloy, too), but the later ones have black hard coat necks - some with the clean metal 'V' highlighted, and some just plain black headstocks. They're very rare, but I've also seen blue, gold, grey, black and red anodised finishes, too - and there may be others, for all I know.
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Thanks pbeekman! Excellent info. You know, I never noticed how that fourth hole used to connect the neck to the body was smaller and didn't have a screw. That's really odd. I wonder what the logic was behind that approach given you're drilling a fourth hole anyway and four screws are better than three?
You mentioned the Montrose Veleno. He had a Theramin connected to the top of #12 when he played it. Is there an extra hole in the front where the Theramin was screwed in?
The ebay seller said the body halves were machined. I know the necks were cast but were all of the bodies machined? I thought they were cast also.
Finally, bridges. Most of the Veleno photos I've seen (I've got over 100 but many of them are small or poor quality) show the square ended bridge with a small space between the 1,2,3 string saddles and the 4.5.6 string saddles. Did Mr. Veleno fabricate these bridges entirely, along with the saddles?
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Actually, the 4 screws hold on the neck. the 4th screw you are speaking of allows you to access the internals of the guitar and still keep the neck attached with that single bolt. The later thinner 1inch and .25 cap design eliminated this all together as all 4 bolts were on the top section.
Also a Traveler neck is just a regular neck chopped off at the 14th or so fret. If you look on the back, there are 3 bolts on these are in a triangle pattern, the bottom 2 bolts on a Traveler neck are the top 2 on a an original neck.
As for your almag necks, i hate to bring it up but these things have a shelf life. The fate of Volkswagon engine blocks are the fate of a Veleno. Eventually almag for lack of a better phrase eats itself from electrolosis. Under normal use its about 75-100 years to being completely useless, but under stress its less than that. Granted thats a good amount of time from now, but sad none the less.
Veleno often made his own bridges, but Ive seen guilds and a few others on them. Im sure he used what he could get and then made them when he couldnt.
Last the first 3 bodies were cast, but he changed to machining them after that. He used T7075 for a few and then switched to T6061 as T7075 corrodes really fast, but is a great deal stronger than T6061.
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I stand corrected on the meaning of that 4th bolt - it is a curious design quirk, though. I'm not sure one can extrapolate from engine block life to guitar necks, simply on the basis of the alloy used, either. Wouldn't the heating and cooling in an engine block produce much much stress and affect the crystaline structure of the metal to a much higher degree than handling a guitar neck? I see no evidence of significant corrosion, wear or any other affect of nature on the Velenos I've seen. Anyway - Veleno's will be museum only instruments in 75 years - let the MET sort out how it wants to curate and conserve them! Interestingly, this process has already begun. Here in Australia, the Powerhouse Museum has one in its collection: http://www.powerhousemuse.....tion/database/?irn=136596
This guitar was owned by the legendary Ed Kuepper - ex "The Saints" guitarist - these guys helped to pioneer Punk Rock - period. I'm not sure why the museum hasn't corrected the spelling of Ed's name on its catalogue record, though. You've gotta 'Know your Product', Powerhouse! You can see the band in action here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qatJHDHRwJg
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Sure you can extrapolate that as its the nature of the alloy, blocks and anything under high stress can last as little as 30-40 years. Its an amazing metal, very strong polishes great and machines easily, its just that it gets more and more brittle everyday. But if you dont see it, Im sure its not happening.
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To be honest, the one I kick myself on not getting was the gold anodized Veleno you own. I know it had been a bit hacked up with the gibson tail pc etc, but the few months I had it, I really liked it. It was offered for 2k and I was in school and just couldnt swing the money. I do prefer the 2 equal halves version though to the later 1 inch and .25 cap.
Congrats on the #3! thats awesome, if you could send me some pics of that, I would love to see it.
My dream Original would be the last body shape, but with the equal body halves. The rear half and neck being Martin hard coated, the V polished out and the top body half chromed. Im dont think such a guitar was ever made though.
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Here is a possible lead, Vincent:
http://news.harmony-centr.....-Metal-Bodied-Guitar.html
There aren't many actual gold-plated Velenos out there - the last one that was for sale was refinished back to chrome, I believe - so who knows, this collector may have the one you're after?
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Has anyone played one of the new velenos that has the duncans in it and care to commit?
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I was referring to the new ones on the veleno site i'm guessing that john veleno builds
I Personally wouldn't want duncans in it i asked if old gibson humbuckers were available or something i'd have todo later on
I've read a thread where someone said egc's were better guitars, and i was just wondering in what ways
I really don't get much vibe from a new guitar so i was more or less curious about the new ones and what made the older more superior when the same guy is building them, finish work as in piecing the guitar togather or the actual finish on the aluminum?
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Vincent, my experience with Velenos does not compare with yours in any way, and I by no means disagree with you. I would only add that I was pleasantly surprised by the modern "parts guitar" Veleno. It actually seemed heavier to me than the original Veleno that I played (which was a mid-period one). They were both pretty mindblowing to me. But again, my experience is limited.
As for the Duncans, I was really skeptical of them, and they sound great. Correct me if I'm wrong, but were the Gibson humbuckers in the originals the T-tops that were current in the day? Honestly I'd rather have the Duncans than t-tops. My understanding is that JV used whatever pickups he could get (those Guild pickups are also great, from what I've heard). Now it'd be really fun to hear a Veleno with PAFs in it. Have you ever heard one that someone put real original PAFs in?
As to the Veleno vs EGC question, that's really really apples and oranges. The guitars do different things. I think that they are equals, but there's no way to make a comparison that has any meaning. I do think that in 20 years we'll look back on the EGCs with the same kind of reverence and awe and mystique that we do Travis Beans and Velenos.
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When i wanted a comparison of egc and veleno it just made me wonder when people said egc was a better guitar then the "newer" veleno they did say newer so i was just wondering peoples thoughts, cause i mean you see used egcs for $1500 velenos are 8 9 k retail i haven't gotten a price shipped to my state yet i've asked a week or so ago but i'm guessing it will be at least 7k and that was just making me wonder about the "new" ones when there is such a big price jump, i realize they are different guitars but in myeyes the veleno is the best looking guitar i've ever seen so looks wise the veleno won but i was just wondering what you got extra for 5000 dollars besides the striking looks i know alot of people have committed on the thin necks some people like them most hate them(i like small necks mustang is probably my most comfortable playing guitar) but i've not gotten to play one, the veleno that was in guitar center gallo said he bought i must have quit a month short from that store to have seen it/played it.......... i worked on the sunset store that jan-march i'm guessing they got it in april ........ 2007 i think or was it 2006 gosh my memory is bad for my age, i worked in the normal guitar section though so maybe they did have it when i worked there bummer if they did and i didn't at least get to see it, the only one i saw in person was when i was 14 or 15 seeing the hole concert when they were on tour with manson what a great show..... since then the only time i got to see one was the traveler eric was playing and original gallo was playing if i had to pick a guitar sound i'd want the sound gallo's veleno had that night, could you tell us what amp you were using....... it looked like you just had a tuner and Eleharm pedal
didn't notice what amp it was the rriiccee first tour around
I remember when one of albinis velenos were on ebay i don' t remember much details about it but i think it went for around 3500 i was 20 or so and that seemed like alot of money back then and i thought i'd never be able to get a veleno (1962 stratocasters were about 3500 then too wish i at least bought the nice 62 i saw that year) now several years later it seems about the same obstacle only seeing like sonny bonos for sale for 25 k or 35 k whatever price it is this year
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Ok, maybe apples and oranges isn't quite right. How bout..... cucumbers tomatoes? I won't push the metaphor further, uh oh ;) It's hard to quantify this stuff.... feel and sound is so personal and psychological. And yes, the attitude of the builder is infused in these instruments, they are not static dead materials. I am lucky enough to own a few different types of guitars with aluminum necks. I was hesitant about ordering an EGC at first, thinking it might be redundant, or it might make me want to sell my TBs. But in fact, each of these guitars is has its own qualities, the things that it does well. I don't know how to put those things into words. It's more like each guitar has its own creative things that it inspires me to do. And that is a terrific thing, to have a number of different tools that I feel I can find my own voice on. What more could you ask for?!
funkypicker - I guess what I'm saying is that "better" doesn't hold up unless we get into details about what you need in a guitar. EGCs sound great and are totally indestructible -- a better touring instrument for sure. I would much rather own a few EGCs for the price of one of those modern $7k weird faked version, or whatever they go for. But the originals (and the NOS parts guitars, even despite original wiring etc) are truly extraordinary creations, and if an original were offered to me at a time when I had the cash free, I wouldn't think twice. I mean, what does money even mean at that level? It's not about the money, but about the instrument, and about things with much greater significance than material possession.
ps - vincent, if you ever want to sell those PAFs, I'd be interested. Not that I have a particular use for them, but I'd certainly find one ;)
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and i'd be interested in the bigsby guitar if you ever wanted rid of it
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I saw that kansas city show, I think i told you previous but it was a long time ago, I was bummed you guys didn't come back to kc that last tour, was there a reason you didn't hit that place again it seemed like it was a sold out crowd, I had a friend that was suppose to see your SoCal show but I don't think he ended up making it
I guess that explains why i didn't know what amp you used i was like howdid you get that sound di dyou go direct in the PA or what lol......... didn't see any kind of amp..... did you use any special mic or pre amp to get the PA sound you got out in the audience? sounded like we wear hearing the tone that usually comes directly out of a special amp not your usual PA mic'ed guitar sound, even though a theater i worked at they had ribbon ssl speakers and the sound engin could get some cool direct box tones but it was pure 80's metal mostof the time
It sucked that tb500 only got played for around 2 minutes by eric cause it sounded really good as well even though i loved hearing the slide guitar on the traveler did he use similar amp setup you did?
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Indeed, that guitar was down at the Philly guitar show a few weeks back. I feel kinda sorry for the dealer who is stuck with it. btw - a few Beans walked in the door at that show too. Guitar Center bought an Artist (I didn't see it, only heard about it) for probably really cheap arrrghhhh and also the good guys at Southside Guitars picked up a TB2000 that I assume will be for sale sometime soon.
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I know there's probably a touch of sarcasm there,
but still, it should be said that these days you're pretty unlikely to get any kind or original veleno anywhere near that kind of money, so for the next best thing, I think whoever bought that got themselves a relative bargain!
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Well, you know what mystifies me? How is it that TB500s, of which there are significant numbers (351) compared with Velenos (perhaps only 180-190?) are hitting the 10-25k mark (if you follow the recent post on #21), when Velenos are supposedly only worth 15-20k at the most? They are rarer, older, more bizarre / cool looking, entirely made of metal, and have that amazing 'zing' that aluminium guitars are noted for. Given that the TB500 was a low end model, it's curious how the scales have tipped at this point. Are Velenos the 'sleeper' aluminium guitar of the early 2000s, like TBs were 5-10 years ago? I wonder ...
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I suspect that Veleno values are lower than comparable Beans because they are less well known. Guitars are valued not only for what they are physically, but also for what they represent. Beans have been the chosen instrument of some of the all time greats - Keith Richards, Jerry Garcia, Stanley Jordan, Slash (just to name a few). I know that some well know musicians have played Velenos, but I don't' think they ever got the kind of exposure that Beans have received either when they were first made or up until today. Personally I don't find the look of a Veleno as aesthetically pleasing as a Bean, but I've never played or even seen one in person. From all reports, it sounds like the originals are really great instruments.
Who knows how the value game will play out over the coming decade with all of the new builders (EGC, Bastian, Bailey) out there. The number of Velenos out there could be be a factor, but when you're dealing with such small numbers does 180 Velenos vs. 351 TB 500s make a difference? Maybe. I have enjoyed learning about Velenos on this forum. Maybe I'll get to try one someday.
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| Posted: 12/16/2008 at 10:59 AM Post subject: RE:VELENO for sale on eBay |
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Boulder, interesting ideas but I think not quite right. Velenos, in their heyday, were pretty much only played by famous musicians, whereas TB500s had only one real public supporter, Jerry Garcia. Before I played a real Veleno, I had always thought they were just flashy nonsense. All that changed the second I played one, and I quickly grew to love the look too.
http://www.veleno.net/history2.htm
Steve Albini has or had a Veleno too, and you've probably heard it played by many bands who have recorded with him, without realizing it.
Last thing - I think Velenos are still selling for more money than TB500s, except in rare occasions. This recent situation has skewed things a bit.
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Ed Kuepper of the Saints played a Veleno when they were being produced (or just after) - what a great Australian band they were! I'm also rather fond of the sound Keith Levine generated on those early Public Image records with his Veleno - I think it had Gibson dog-ear P-90s at one point? Certainly Lou Reed also had one for a while. I found this reference recently which I hadn't seen before, for those interested:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Veleno-(guitar)
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| Posted: 12/17/2008 at 9:15 AM Post subject: RE:VELENO for sale on eBay |
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Well so much for my theory. Velenos clearly have major rock star devotees that easily rival Bean's. Thanks for setting me straight.
I still think the number of Velenos vs. the number of Bean 500s in existence is probably not a significant factor in pricing. With only a few hundred of each the scarcity is practically the same. The price seems to be largely determined by the condition, who owned it, etc.
My EGC Custom 500 is a cross between a Bean 500 and a Veleno. EGCs are starting to appear in the hands of popular players. As an investment, my EGC is probably doing a hell of a lot better than my 401K.
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OK well now I have a theory about this. There were limited TB500s and limited Velenos, but there were enough other Travis Bean guitars made to warrant a fan community. That brings together a whole bunch of people who all "ooh and ahh" over the rare models, while owning the less rare models. There isn't a larger Veleno market to draw people in, so there's no fan community, so a lot of Veleno discussion takes place on the Travis Bean board, here. I think that accounts for the difference in style or vibe or whatever.
Boulder, I've said it many times here before, but I agree, I think that in 20 years we'll look back on the EGCs just like we look back on TBs today. They're as good as it gets.
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| Posted: 01/21/2009 at 8:28 PM Post subject: RE:VELENO for sale on eBay |
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The Veleno on ebay in the last day or so didn't last long! Is $8500.00 a bargain these days, then?
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| Posted: 03/02/2009 at 9:17 AM Post subject: RE:VELENO for sale on eBay |
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I thought it had a starting bid of $7500 and a BIN of $9500. How could the auction be over with 1 bid at $8500? I don't understand.
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| Posted: 03/02/2009 at 11:26 PM Post subject: RE:VELENO for sale on eBay |
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That is strange. Someone must have made an offer and the seller relisted it at $8500, I suppose. It would have been better to let the auction run on, I suspect - these are very rare now, with collectors taking quite an interest in them.
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| Posted: 09/16/2016 at 9:24 AM Post subject: RE:VELENO for sale on eBay |
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Hi,
I wonder how much interest Jeff Lynns (ELO) Chrome Veleno (provenance provided) would produce?
Any idea how much it would be worth???
Feel free to Email me with any interest... thomasmunro@hotmail.co.uk
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| Posted: 09/16/2016 at 9:24 AM Post subject: RE:VELENO for sale on eBay |
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Oh and you can see the guitar being played here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZywJO573fg
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