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nick

PostPosted: 09/27/2002 at 9:00 AM    Post subject: Ebay Rip offs link

im so angry that some people put up their beans on ebay,for a reserve of about 3,000$.what a jip!!!! Travis beans are,ofcourse,priceless.but these people totally take advantage of the beans rareness.I just got my Tb2000 bass for 800$.and to see them being bought on ebay for 2,000$ is just insane.What is wrong with these people.theres one british fellow in particular that gets to me.With his reserves way over a thousand dollars.

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cringe

PostPosted: 09/30/2002 at 3:49 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

that's actually not a British guy, but Music-Plus; a vintage guitar store based in Germany. i hear lots of evil things about them. stay away!

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EZRA

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PostPosted: 10/04/2002 at 11:54 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

Oh yes, the german beans! They have had the same 7 or so beans cycling through ebay for about a year and a half (maybe longer, but thats when I started looking). Every time I think they may have sold one, it pops up again. As I recall they have black 500 white 500 1st prototype standard black wedge bass red doubleneck wedge guitar 2 natural standards, one signed by Travis I have to say that white 500 is beautiful, but at over $3000 reserve, forget it.

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Chad Baker

PostPosted: 10/04/2002 at 4:57 PM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

That guy's a real piece of work. He's got 525 items up for auction at present. About 10 of them have bids, and none of them have met his ridiculously high reserves. He must be losing his shirt in listing fees alone. Nothing he has ever sells!

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nick

PostPosted: 10/11/2002 at 8:35 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

I always feel like emailing this guy and asking what his problem is.charging people an INSANE ammount of money for a guitar.anything he sells is so expensive.Gibsons,Fenders,Musicman,anything you can think of is all high priced.I always hate vintage dealers online,they always seem to rip you off.But this guy is the biggest rip off artist ever.

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Mathijs

PostPosted: 11/08/2002 at 5:47 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

I am new to this board (just bought a white/creme artist, serial 1296), and I have complained with ebay as this store was selling a 1973 Fender Tele Custom and was pushing the price by bidding themselves. The bidders account name turned up at most auctions of the store. Keep away from this store. Mathijs

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david johnson

PostPosted: 11/11/2002 at 11:44 PM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

i have been following the sales of travis bean guitars for about two years now; and i finally got mine (an excellent 1000A, black finish, mint)... in my wildest dreams, i would never even consider paying what they want for them... i have seen this seller too, and i can only say one thing...STAY AWAY... i have reviewed the seller feedback (which is at about a 95% positive feedback rate), and can only determine that this gentleman sells vintage insturments to very rich people, or he is simply relying on arbitrage (buy low sell high) for profit to people who don't know any better. in any case, there are an abundance of honest vintage guitar stores, and i would recommend trying them out (in the midwest, rockhaus music in WI, music exchange in chicago, blue note in peoria, IL, just some examples...). these shops typically have TB's, and will not charge you 300% of the net worth of these insturments. don't get ripped-off, buying a travis bean should be fun; not a financial burden... -dave

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david johnson

PostPosted: 11/23/2002 at 5:32 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

i guess he's at it again... now there is a "stanley jordan" TB 1000S on auction for $1800.00... get ******!!!

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david johnson

PostPosted: 12/11/2002 at 5:10 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

i sent the guy at "music-plus" this statement, i will post any reply... i was just curious... why do you keep re-listing these completely unaffordable guitars to the public? i mean, they are certainly genuine, and authentic; but why do you set a reserve so high that no one can afford them? i am a travis bean fan, don't get me wrong, and i would NEVER pay anything close to the amount that you want for these things... $5,000 for a TB prototype; are you kidding??? no working or non-working musician will ever pay that much for a TB, no matter how valuable!!! here are the average going rates for common TB's in the states... 1000S=====$1050.00 1000A=====$1200.00 500=======$1500.00 2000======$1200.00 could you please keep your listings off of e-bay until your prices are attainable? thank you

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abc_d2

PostPosted: 02/14/2003 at 11:32 PM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

i guess the thing that pisses me off the most about this situation is that those beautiful beans will be hanging on that wall in GB for years- what a waste! if they do sell they will end up under the bed of some rich collecter, never to fell the touch of rock again. if i were horribly rich i would save them from such a fate.

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phil

PostPosted: 03/01/2003 at 12:15 PM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

(New poster) I too have seen this guy, it made me sick to my stomach when I first started looking for a TB because I thought that this was the going rate. Either he his stupid putting that price on a guitar, or he thinks your stupid and going to pay that much, if either is true it is no one you want to business with. Big thanks to David Johnson for giving me the reasonable price list. Now I just need to find a seller in the UK

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Craig

PostPosted: 07/11/2003 at 9:02 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

I can kind of understand why people are upset at high prices, but come on! welcome to capitalism! I have a TB500, only 350 were made. I wouldn't sell it for less than $5,000. That just how it is. Owning a Bean is a great thing, and in an ideal world there wouldn't be greedy assholes ruining the planet. But getting annoyed at someone for being a capitalist is like a whore getting angry for being called a slut.

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david johnson

PostPosted: 07/13/2003 at 5:35 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

I have a degree in economics, and I CAN say that sales brokers placing super-high prices on tb's is definitely a bad thing…
I read the argument placed by craig in the previous submission, and I have to say that I couldn't agree more. you certainly have to protect your investment, and of course, you wouldn't want to sell your tb for less than what you paid for it (certainly not for a fool's price)… but let's look a little deeper to understand what is really going on here.
sales brokers are placing a price on these instruments based on scarcity, and demand. when you decide that these are the ONLY factors that play into "real" value, you are seriously understating the true value of the instrument. a travis bean guitar is meant to do one thing; be played, and be heard (right?)… when you set such a high standard in the marketplace for these things, genuine artists are deprived of ever attaining one in order to create!!! the price is too high, and they will just "create" with something else!!! so **** you travis bean, hope you like sitting in some rich guy's collection…
brokers, like our friends in Great Britain, are simply perpetuating this idea that a travis bean is worth a lot more than what it is worth, therefore valuable, and therefore unattainable by a common person (someone who could REALLY create something awesome)… GET ******!!!
I purchased my tb 1000a for $1200.00 two years ago. I absolutely love the instrument, and wouldn't want to play on anything else (even though it weighs a ton, and freezes my left hand when I pick it up). if I were deprived of the opportunity to play it because of financial reasons, I would be REALLY pissed, and so would you. so let's stop this overstating on the price-grid. a travis bean is worth about $1000.00 (on average), not $5000.00 like that prick on ebay would have you to believe!!! thnx!!!


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craig

PostPosted: 07/16/2003 at 8:17 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

Spot on David, I couldn't have said it better. The key to whole issue of TB pricing is scarcity. For example; I own a TB500, only 350 were ever made, if 10,000 people want one the price will increase to what ever the highest bidder will pay. Now I'm sure there are a lot of well paid rockstars who'd jump at the chance to own a Bean, this will push the price higher because you have someone with a high disposable income combined with an increase in scarcity, i.e. one more Bean out of circulation. I've wanted a Tele Deluxe -the one with two humbuckers and a big strat headstock- for years, but the price is way too high. It the shame problem as with the Bean, not many around and popular.

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Max

PostPosted: 08/27/2003 at 11:21 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

I almost forgot about this German guy. He owns this shop in Cologne and he is definetly one of the few people on earth who I do not like.
I went to his shop two years ago because I knew that he had those two TB 500s (white and the black). They costed 2500 German Mark back then. That was about 1300 $. I came back a couple of month later to buy the black one. He then told me that he had to raise the price to 2700 Marks and that I couldn't get for less. I only had 2500 Marks with me and left. I was a bit pissed by the way he told me that I couldn't get the TB 500 for 2500.
Then again I went to his shop because I was looking for used pickups. I knew that he tried to sell the Travis Beans on ebay and just out of curiousity I asked him if he had any TBs for sale. Answer:" NO MAN, and if I had one, someone like you could never afford it!!!"
Then the embarrassing part of my day took place. He recognized me and remebered that I was the guy who drove all the way to cologne with not enough money in the pocket to buy the guitar. He was so amused that he told me that he'd sold both TB 500s for 3500$ a piece (what I don't believe) and how often he had told the story of the kid with the missing 200 Marks to his buddys. "Man, that had really been a mistake if I'd sold you that guitar back then. And now get out, I don't have any cheap P90s. Only a vintage one and that costs 300$". Five minutes before he made someone else go who was seriously interested in buying a vintage Les Paul for 2900$. I don't get those people.

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david johnson

PostPosted: 09/20/2003 at 3:49 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

max,
i really feel for you...
you probably saved for quite some time to get your TB, only to be shot down by some greedy cock-sucker. don't worry my friend. listen to me...
these people who own those "cute little guitar shop" types typically rip-off people on a daily basis!!! they are the type of people who sucker "moms" with kids who just want to get an axe. "sure, this guitar is o.k., but i'm sure that your kid would want the best, right???" (while holding up a cheap-ass mexican-made squire for 50% over list)...
GET ******!!!
the truth is that you got ****** because that guy has absolutely no idea what it is like to create, or to be in the position of saving because he would not sell to you!!!!!!!!!!
**** HIM!!!
i'm so glad that i know now why those awesome beans (which, i guess, i couldn't afford either) were being listed time and time again with no buyers. **** him.
i'll tell you how to deal with this guy... do not buy from him, and tell all of your friends to not buy from him, and when you go into internet chat groups, tell them to not buy from him either... you won't stop him from being greedy, but your "word-of-mouth" will stop any TB sales (too bad not ALL sales, I hate those types)...
also, max, if you like i could keep my eyes peeled for a TB here in the states. you certainly deserve one!!!
my e-mail is hitgonebad@hotmail.com. i've seen a few in the last few months...
hang in there, you'll get yours!!!
-dave

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PostPosted: 02/23/2004 at 8:45 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

there are hardly any beans in europe that's why they are so expensive people, stop complaining and work your ass off for one of em like I did, although I looked harder and did not pay that much

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ceylon mooney

PostPosted: 03/01/2004 at 7:38 AM    Post subject: right on link

it's price fixing. it's a rig. people on ebay have done it with marshall JPM and jcm 800 heads. always listed as "rare." you can's walk out your door without tripping over one...as rare as a honda accord.

well the beans are rare, but this is price fixing. over the top.

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TBGURU

PostPosted: 12/22/2007 at 5:02 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

Where are all the dumb-asses who posted all of this, whining about high prices? " Wanh, wanh.... I can't buy this, I cannot afford that..."

There is a ton of shit in this world that is expensive, start a website devoted to complaining about what you cannot afford. Cars, yachts, villas, islands, jets.......

I think they are still posting, they just changed their screen names to : holmes, eric, djdwarfsky and chris hall !



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TBGURU

PostPosted: 12/22/2007 at 5:04 AM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

david johnson
PostPosted: 12/11/2002 at 5:10 AM Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs
i sent the guy at "music-plus" this statement, i will post any reply... i was just curious... why do you keep re-listing these completely unaffordable guitars to the public? i mean, they are certainly genuine, and authentic; but why do you set a reserve so high that no one can afford them? i am a travis bean fan, don't get me wrong, and i would NEVER pay anything close to the amount that you want for these things... $5,000 for a TB prototype; are you kidding??? no working or non-working musician will ever pay that much for a TB, no matter how valuable!!! here are the average going rates for common TB's in the states... 1000S=====$1050.00 1000A=====$1200.00 500=======$1500.00 2000======$1200.00 could you please keep your listings off of e-bay until your prices are atta

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Ezra

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PostPosted: 12/22/2007 at 6:37 PM    Post subject: RE:Ebay Rip offs link

TBGURU,
I was one of these dumb asses, back in 2002. At the time the prices were way out of line with what beans were typically going for. I agree there's no reason to complain if you simply cant afford something, but again in 2002 david johnsons prices were correct for the market. The prices of the german beans at the time seemed silly and a waste of bandwidth.

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